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turbo civic



dagger said:
You sure about that? I don't want to say honda suck but....well unless they have real work put into them they just aren't. Only honda engine I really can respect is the H22 or K24....
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h22... respect..... your joking right? and i hope your talking about the K20/K24 hybrid.
 
Bio248 said:
yeah, but im a go big or go home kind of guy. putting a little tiny turbo on it and running 8 pounds of boost just isnt my style. im talking like 25 pounds of boost running on e85 and methanol. maybe more boost.
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what compression? tuning? suspension? tires? anyone can rattle off go fast parts. 25psi is useless on a street car unless your only roll racing or are using a multi stage boost controller, either way slicks will be a must for traction.
 
bluegtp91 said:
Thanks kid...but it is still gonna be a ****ty Honda no matter which way you cut it.
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ehh i wouldn't say ****ty by any means, a bar on a stock motor keeping up with 12 second "sports" cars seems respectable. not to mention you can turbo 2 hondas for the cost of 1 GP and they will run side by side.
 


chunky said:
what compression? tuning? suspension? tires? anyone can rattle off go fast parts. 25psi is useless on a street car unless your only roll racing or are using a multi stage boost controller, either way slicks will be a must for traction.
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exactly. im not building a turbo motor unless its going to be useless on the street with copious amounts of power. i dont have anything for you to take away from this, im just saying that i wouldnt build a street tuner if i were going to take the turbo route in the first place.
 
Chunky is rite, i used 2 be a honda man and if u know how 2 build it u get crazy power. H22 prelude runs a stock 15.3 at the 1/4 as a stock gtp does a 14.9, if u know how 2 drive them of course, thats not 2 far apart and its just a stock 4 cyl, and dont get started on the s2k. They may not put out the tq but since they are high rev motors they run like a bat outa hell. I still rather have my gtp tho any day.
 
anything can be made ridiculously fast if you have the money and actually do it right. the only reason honda has a bad reputation is because there are soooooo many ricers. obviously the engineers at honda can build a race motor, they pretty much own the indy car series. it's when it gets taken to the street that things get unfair. a supercharged L67 will win vs. a civic with a fart can and spoiler. a turbo civic (even a hatch, they're ugly but so small) will take a NA 3.8. it depends on what's going on in the driver's head, and the ones that build the car right will usually be at the track and be somewhat modest about what it can do. the ones that run their mouth off because they think a modded civic or a gp = McLaren F1 are the cause for the debate. neither one of the cars are really built for racing from the factory. even a gtp or a vtec. that's why there was a trans-am and... well honda doesn't have a V8 but they could have one if they wanted. fair races are hard to find on the street. just like well-modded cars.
 


the only 4-cylinder i'd ever buy new would be a t/c cobalt. as for trying to find something used cause i'm broke, 65mph is 65mph no matter what's on the grill
 
Lets put it simple. Ok if yous have any idea of what your talking apart as far as engines go ..

Pontiac - Honda
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Compare which manufacture has completed much more in a category of Power Maintananence and American reputation manufacture. That would be hands down Pontiac and id say thats all you need. **** HONDA LITTLE CHINK EYED RICE PATTYS. AND GOD SAID AMEN .
 
the video posted was horrible cant see what kind of civic or hear if its boosted hitting vtec etc... also someone said hondas werent race cars from the factory thats what trans am are for and that honda doesnt have a v8 they dont need a v8 to go fast lol. Also the type r from the factory has a hand built motor and makes more then 100 horsepower per liter has race suspension etc... you guys have no idea if you think that these gtps will beat a modded honda for example you take a hatch and put a h to b swap in it and your running 12s bone stock motor and tranny. people make over 500 horsepower on stock blocks. thats a 4 cyl making that much power which is insane. Also vtec does make a huge difference and hondas are one of the only companies that can make over 100 hp per liter. Dont get me wrong I like my gtp but you can def build a faster honda with less money in my opinion.

btw there is a 95 trans am where I live with built heads, cam, exhaust, gears, radials, nitrous etc... ran low 11s or high 10s I forget and got beat by a civic hatch with a stock NON vtec ls motor on 14psi kid was into the car for under 4k ran 11.80s at the track with a junkyard motor lol now thats pretty impressive seeing the trans am has over 10k into it
 
dude. obviously you don't need a V8 to go fast. talk to porsche with a straight 6. the fact remains though. camaro/corvette = factory race car(ish). grand prix and even a G8 = sporty sedan. honda civic = economy car. the different performance packages don't change what market the car is targeted at. you could get ridiculous horsepower out of any motor. and as somebody already said, there's a huge weight difference that affects track times. even if you look at the cobalt, there are like 3 different packages. but a factory turbo cobalt is not meant to compete with a vette. same thing with a civic. the vtec civic is not meant to be honda's high performance car. hate to say it, but those are meant to factory rice burners. you're not going to see a guy in his mid-40s driving a cobalt ss or vtec civic. not to mention vtec was just being thought of in 1997-2003, completely different technology and the gtp and the civic weren't meant to compete with each other. but the bottom line is yeah, both of these motors can be made to ridiculous horsepower. but a vtec civic will not run 12's from the factory. it's not built to be a race car. it can be built to be, but so can anything else.
 
exactly most civics are economy cars minus the si but the integra type r is meant to go somewhere and if u wanna talk race car then acura nsx is something you can compare to a 40 year old buying a vette. Also you have no idea what your talking about considering they had vtec back in 91 in the nsx and 92 in the integra but of course you wouldnt know that lol... also u can get a honda to go 12s on a bone stock motor and tranny like I said before h to b swap in a hatch or k swap in a hatch or coupe. There are so many options theres def more 8 sec hondas then gtps thats for sure but Im not here to argue on which cars better just that the kid that said he walked a stripped honda on 15 psi with a ls vtec motor or whatever he said is an idiot because that would never happen unless he was driving a trans am or a corvette.

btw a stock vtec civic can run high 14s again thats in a 4 cyl.... and they just have lots of potential like I can make a civic go high 11s with under 2000
 


just being straightforward, you're right, i don't follow honda. or any other import for that matter. i consider it a compliment. as for whoever said honda's the only company that can get 100hp/L, do the math on ford's ecoboost. 365 divided by 3.5L displacement > 100hp/L. also, with a 1.8L motor, you're talking 180hp. it's a little harder to justify when you're talking displacements over 3L, especially when you don't need 350hp to get groceries. as for vtec in 91, i believe (somebody correct me if i'm wrong) that the mclaren grand prix in the 80's had turbo? a turbo motor in the late 80's is not what a turbo motor is today. the idea of vtec may have been thought up, but it's come a long way since then. as for the motor swaps, i don't follow honda motors. but i'm thinking that making a 3800ish pound car run 12's is just as impressive as making a 2200 pound car run 11's. especially when there's 10 years difference in the technology that was available. the w-body grand prix's are far from new. and like i've touched on before, it's not fair to compare modded cars to stock cars. any motor can be made to make ridiculous horsepower. you could mod either of these two cars to beat the other one, it just depends on what you do. will a turbo civic beat a stock gtp? most likely, depends on how it's built. will a modded gtp beat a stock civic? once again, if it's built right, of course it will. don't forget that these cars are 10 years old, it took GM a supercharger to get 240hp out of a V6. they're now getting over 300hp out of a V6 with a smaller displacement. as for an 8-sec car, you can't even compare those to factory motors, the only thing stock is the block
 
it's definitely coming off like i hate honda. i respect honda's that are built right, the guys at the factory are great at engineering. the thing that gets me is when i walk by a mid-90's prelude with a ricer tip and the backseat taken out and i ask the guy about it. he said it goes faster without the backseat. = FAIL. the guys that actually do it right, awesome, you've now earned the tuner tag and i'm just as impressed
 
the ecoboost motor is twin turbo lol making 100hp per liter honda does it naturally aspirated thats why its so impressive. Also the 92 prelude h22 vtec motor didnt change for like 10 years. In japan they had vtec in the 80s that was the same as a 00 civic si vtec motor. I dunno just think that hondas are really impressive, but dont get me wrong I like my gtp
 
Look at the end of the day, you drive a fu*kin Honda. You'll get called a ricer while the guy with the trans am is bangin your girlfriend. Idc how fast it is, hondas are ugly,have a horrible rep, and sound like sh*t. End of story fellas
 
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