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Honestly... just speculating... I havent dove this deep into my own l67... but from what Ive read and seen, your bottlenecking the motor. the Gen5 has alot of potential but your not reaching it, and I can understand you wanting to go to the TVS because it is more efficient, but I honestly don't think you will turn any better number by just swapping the blower unless you do some updates on the little things.

Like the injectors. More air, better flow, fuel to compensate... you don't get enough fuel you will run lean and .... we all know where that leads. Get the blower but don't forget the basics
 
TLSheff said:
Honestly... just speculating... I havent dove this deep into my own l67... but from what Ive read and seen, your bottlenecking the motor. the Gen5 has alot of potential but your not reaching it, and I can understand you wanting to go to the TVS because it is more efficient, but I honestly don't think you will turn any better number by just swapping the blower unless you do some updates on the little things.

Like the injectors. More air, better flow, fuel to compensate... you don't get enough fuel you will run lean and .... we all know where that leads. Get the blower but don't forget the basics
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I haven't come near leaning out yet and the GenV is already making too much heat. What people are suggesting that I do is port the heads, get e85(cant), get meth, and do other mods to keep the GenV delta temps down.

I say why not start with a cooler (litterally!) blower before doing any of that?
 
The car has plenty of fuel. If I drop pullys and re tune on the GenV the delta temps go up and the car gets slower.

You would think I was trying to rape your first born child here.
 
You already said the car made more HP on a 3.3 with more timming than the 301 peak HP the car would be faster with traction and more power under the peak #s.

The Gen5 is not the problem. Go ahead spend all the money for a TVS when whats holding you back is not the SC
 


98GrandPrixIraqVet said:
You already said the car made more HP on a 3.3 with more timming than the 301 peak HP the car would be faster with traction and more power under the peak #s.

The Gen5 is not the problem. Go ahead spend all the money for a TVS when whats holding you back is not the SC
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I never said the car made more power on a 3.3 with more timing, I said it didn't drop off when the car was hot like it did with the 3.2.
 
weird I made 5 pulls, All back to back and I pulled 279,277, 272,278,272. On an unitercooled 3.6 pulley gen3 lol. Stock cam. Afr was 12.1 with 18 timing
 
01gpgt01 said:
weird I made 5 pulls, All back to back and I pulled 279,277, 272,278,272. On an unitercooled 3.6 pulley gen3 lol. Stock cam. Afr was 12.1 with 18 timing
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This just reinforces my belief that I'm running the GenV too hot.
I'll be that much further ahead of the game with the TVS, all for less than twice what I paid for the GenV swap.
 
SnowFlake said:
I wont hit anywhere near 350whp on my GenV non intercooled on 93 pump.
I'm running a 3.2 pulley at 16 degrees of timing right now. This setup yielded the best single pull dyno of 301whp, then couldn't make within 15whp when it was hot. The car runs more consistently on a 3.3 pulley and more timing, but made less peak hp on its cold run.

This is what I was after the car would be better on the 3.3 and more timing becasue peak HP doesnt mean crap unless your a dyno whore.

And you said you couldnt get with in 15 whp when it was hot doesnt matter either Ill guarentee the car will run cooler on the road then on a dyno unless you had some huge fans in front of it on the dyno.

Also your tuning from what you've said certinaly leaves HP on the table and with the stock injectors im sure of this better tuning and bigger injectors would spank your WHP numbers
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We did have huge fans in front of it, 3 of them. The car is more consistent on the bigger pulley, but will be FAR more consistent and faster with the TVS. Also the blower will have more headroom than the m90 despite being smaller by 9.5CI.
 


01gpgt01 said:
weird I made 5 pulls, All back to back and I pulled 279,277, 272,278,272. On an unitercooled 3.6 pulley gen3 lol. Stock cam. Afr was 12.1 with 18 timing
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SnowFlake said:
This just reinforces my belief that I'm running the GenV too hot.
I'll be that much further ahead of the game with the TVS, all for less than twice what I paid for the GenV swap.
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That doesn't tell me your running yours too hot... says your doing something wrong somewhere else. A 3.6 Gen3 is making 20-25whp less than your 3.3 Gen5.... heat cannot be causing that much of a loss in HP.
 
TLSheff said:
That doesn't tell me your running yours too hot... says your doing something wrong somewhere else. A 3.6 Gen3 is making 20-25whp less than your 3.3 Gen5.... heat cannot be causing that much of a loss in HP.
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Its all in the tuning! What are you using to tune and Id suggest talking to others that are tuning that are getting damn close to your numbers with less mods and a Gen3 !!
 
TLSheff said:
That doesn't tell me your running yours too hot... says your doing something wrong somewhere else. A 3.6 Gen3 is making 20-25whp less than your 3.3 Gen5.... heat cannot be causing that much of a loss in HP.
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Keep in mind I have a higher compression. Knowing heat would be a factor when I droped into the 3.4 3.2 range I intercooled. Ive yet to revist the dyno since the Intercooler and 3.25 pulley.
 
98GrandPrixIraqVet said:
Its all in the tuning! What are you using to tune and Id suggest talking to others that are tuning that are getting damn close to your numbers with less mods and a Gen3 !!
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People are hitting near 300whp on Gen3's non-intercooled on 93 pump? When I told Bill I made 300whp he almost didn't believe I made that much...
 


SnowFlake said:
Of course it can... more heat, more knock, less timing, less power.
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There will be more heat yes... if your knocking and causing less timing and a loss in power like that... your killing your engine and need to pulley back up.

That is beginner stuff
 
SnowFlake said:
Of course it can... more heat, more knock, less timing, less power.
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No kidding because your wimpy stock injectors are the problem! Your tuning makes the stock injectors work. But bigger injectors would open up the car ton!

Also with more injector you could add more timing through the entire RPM and NOT knock and make more HP
 
I lost interest after i saw it was all about a TVS....

Quit being cheap and have a custom intake manifold made that will allow you to run integrated intercooling as well.

Also, why would you need to swap blowers?

What cam and heads are you running?
 
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