I have never once said you can not make power on a VS. I have only ever said you can/will make more power with the xp/s1x, so y half ass it??
1997 Black GTP - Soon To Be Thumping.
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I have never once said you can not make power on a VS. I have only ever said you can/will make more power with the xp/s1x, so y half ass it??
DanPrixGTP
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Pretty sure that link i posted isn't a "half assed" build.
Pretty sure that link i posted isn't a "half assed" build.
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Max Cook
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Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
Uhm josh thats stupid logic. If you're going to use that logic then why go with an XP cam and not an XPZ? sure it requires heads but why not go all the way right? You'll make more power on an XPZ than an XP.
the VS Cam is just awesome for sleepers and DDs and will make pretty much the same power.
Uhm josh thats stupid logic. If you're going to use that logic then why go with an XP cam and not an XPZ? sure it requires heads but why not go all the way right? You'll make more power on an XPZ than an XP.
the VS Cam is just awesome for sleepers and DDs and will make pretty much the same power.
DanPrixGTP
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Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
You say, if your going to cam the car, why not go big?
I have to agree thats kind of dumb, cause you say the XP is the way to go, but by going by what your saying "go big" or dont do it at all, then do what max says, get the Xpz, or the Is3, or hell go even bigger with the St5 and a turbo setup.
Will the VS make as much power as an XP or s1x in the end? no. but it can come damn close. Some people dont want a "huge" build, so the VS is the way to go. Great power gains and easy on parts. Awesome to DD, you cant go wrong besides the sound.
You say, if your going to cam the car, why not go big?
I have to agree thats kind of dumb, cause you say the XP is the way to go, but by going by what your saying "go big" or dont do it at all, then do what max says, get the Xpz, or the Is3, or hell go even bigger with the St5 and a turbo setup.
Will the VS make as much power as an XP or s1x in the end? no. but it can come damn close. Some people dont want a "huge" build, so the VS is the way to go. Great power gains and easy on parts. Awesome to DD, you cant go wrong besides the sound.
REDCRAPGP
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Terrible logic. I'm starting to get the vibe that you don't like being wrong. Is something wrong with putting less strain on the VT w/ a smaller cam? How about not wanting to run a double roller or having to have anything machined? Yes I kno some who have ran stock chains but in sure you also heard of a few that broke those too. Not everyone enjoys doing motor swaps or fixing their **** all the time.
Lets not forget it can come down to the tune to maximize both.
Maybe someone doesn't have a tuner nearby to be able to throw in a XP+ and drive away...I kno this is hard to believe considering your in Grand Prix land in Michigan.
As well as at the end of the day just because car #1 gained lets say 50hp w/ a XP doesn't mean you throw on a XP and gain 50Hp as well. Maybe car #1 motor was better maintained, has lower miles, flows better etc then car #2. Should I mention factory freak care that run better then most.
There's no two cars that are going to run the same and produce the same exact #s that's a fact.
Mad Monkey
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Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
i haven't read anything on the last 3 pages, i would imagine it went something like this:
Someone - I like this power mod
Dan - yeah thats good
Josh - that sucks do this instead
Nick- it all sucks GTFO
someone- no way its This
Josh - NO
Dan - I cant afford any of that crap
-group argues for a page-
Brando - cant we all get along and use more crisco?
i haven't read anything on the last 3 pages, i would imagine it went something like this:
Someone - I like this power mod
Dan - yeah thats good
Josh - that sucks do this instead
Nick- it all sucks GTFO
someone- no way its This
Josh - NO
Dan - I cant afford any of that crap
-group argues for a page-
Brando - cant we all get along and use more crisco?
Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
Your REALLY going to use the term FACTORY FREAK.. My point was and will be this.... If you wanna do a PERFORMANCE mod then get the PERFORMANCE out of it. This backwards logic is like saying I will do headers because it makes my motor flow better and I can gain some HP but I will not do a pulley drop for fear of turning the blower too fast and blowing it up. Makes no sense to me at all.. But at the end of the day it is your money, spend it how you will...
Your REALLY going to use the term FACTORY FREAK.. My point was and will be this.... If you wanna do a PERFORMANCE mod then get the PERFORMANCE out of it. This backwards logic is like saying I will do headers because it makes my motor flow better and I can gain some HP but I will not do a pulley drop for fear of turning the blower too fast and blowing it up. Makes no sense to me at all.. But at the end of the day it is your money, spend it how you will...
REDCRAPGP
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I think so
Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
Not mad at all actually.. it is your money.. waste it if you want to.
Not mad at all actually.. it is your money.. waste it if you want to.
REDCRAPGP
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Are you gaining performance by putting in a vs cam am I right or are you worse off then stock? Exactly...sounds like performance gain to me. If that's the only thing your after screw a XP cam..go XPZ....since XPZ will give you more performance then a XP. You finally proved a point without trying to prove a point.
Conclusion: if you want performance from a cam go big or go home and go XPZ or whatever else is bigger and don't do VS,XP.S1X,Nic etc
Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
Agreed... However there is a TON more work involved with an xpz cam then with an XP cam. And the only WORK difference between the VS and the XP is springs and retainers....
Agreed... However there is a TON more work involved with an xpz cam then with an XP cam. And the only WORK difference between the VS and the XP is springs and retainers....
REDCRAPGP
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Hmm $200 is a waste for a performance gain..yea might as well throw away all your mods since there always going to be something that is always better.
Question have you ever driven or rode with someone that has/had a VS cam? Or are you basing the majority of your info on YouTube 0-60 clips and testosterone junkies that think you have to go big and all out or go home?
Question have you ever driven or rode with someone that has/had a VS cam? Or are you basing the majority of your info on YouTube 0-60 clips and testosterone junkies that think you have to go big and all out or go home?
REDCRAPGP
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Just like anyone would recommend you should be doing springs,retainers i would even suggest timing chain if you have high miles,either way. Main objective for me is making it reliable with a bit more performance. I was set on going XP for awhile until I broke down all the facts and decided for the bit more potential gains it wasn't worth sacrificing the reliability of its components and I'm a sucker for a good deal.
Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
Nope.. Just bashing on Numbers alone.... Fact is that the VS cam no matter how you wanna spin it wont make more power then the XP cam. and if you want reliable, get a honda, or dont Cam. Just dont half ass it.
Nope.. Just bashing on Numbers alone.... Fact is that the VS cam no matter how you wanna spin it wont make more power then the XP cam. and if you want reliable, get a honda, or dont Cam. Just dont half ass it.
REDCRAPGP
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It's not half assing it when your only downfall is losing a few HP as opposed to going with a XP. I suggest if you ever get a chance to ride or drive someone who has one installed..you do it. I'm sure your opinion would change.
JLiss
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Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
then quit half ass'ing and go turbo w/ built block and standalone system.
then quit half ass'ing and go turbo w/ built block and standalone system.
DanPrixGTP
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Re: 1997 Black GTP, Painted Headers.
Alright josh, you and this Half-ass crap is completely false.
In no way, shape, or form, a cam setup is a half-ass setup.
Im not sure how many times i have to repeat myself on this...
Does an XP make more power than the VS, YES! Yes , indeed it does. But by A LOT? No.
Your logic is if your going to do it, do it big. Well take your own advice, Get an XPZ, get an Is3, Get a thrasher cam, get a turbo with St5. Take your own advice.
The VS cam is a great cam for anyone that wants to Daily Drive their car with no worries. With this cam, you dont need to upgrade Valvetrain parts (even though you should, its not needed) and its much easier on the Valvetrain itself. On top of it being a great DD cam, You even get great gains from it! Whoa, best of both worlds.
Now when it comes to the XP, in the long run it has more potential to make more power. But now you need to start upgrading Valvetrain parts, plus its more harsh on the valvetrain itself also. Have people DD'd the XP? YES. But now your putting more wear on the Valvetrain parts, and the parts will tend to and will break down the road. Some people just dont want to be always fixing up there car, and still want a good DD with quickness. Well thats where the VS comes in.
Your logic when it comes to this is wrong and makes no sense. Im sorry to say.
You stand alone on this, and i bet almost anyone will back me and the others in on this conversation with you, up.
Does my Youtube video i shared with you and the GPF world of OrangeL67 VS cam setup on a 2.6" not mean sh*t? Let me tell you what, That build is not half-assed, at all.
I wish OrangeL67 would jump in on this conversation. He knows way more than anyone of us in this conversation. He personally Loves the VS cam. Want proof?
Here ya go:
http://www.grandprixforums.net/vs-cam-vs-xp-cam-51337.html
http://www.grandprixforums.net/xp-vs-s1x-cams-71948.html
Grand Prixs Of North America • View topic - VS cam dyno numbers from my CompG
Built GTP on 2.6" pulley - YouTube
Grand prix GTP vs GXP 75 to 150+ - YouTube
Alright josh, you and this Half-ass crap is completely false.
In no way, shape, or form, a cam setup is a half-ass setup.
Im not sure how many times i have to repeat myself on this...
Does an XP make more power than the VS, YES! Yes , indeed it does. But by A LOT? No.
Your logic is if your going to do it, do it big. Well take your own advice, Get an XPZ, get an Is3, Get a thrasher cam, get a turbo with St5. Take your own advice.
The VS cam is a great cam for anyone that wants to Daily Drive their car with no worries. With this cam, you dont need to upgrade Valvetrain parts (even though you should, its not needed) and its much easier on the Valvetrain itself. On top of it being a great DD cam, You even get great gains from it! Whoa, best of both worlds.
Now when it comes to the XP, in the long run it has more potential to make more power. But now you need to start upgrading Valvetrain parts, plus its more harsh on the valvetrain itself also. Have people DD'd the XP? YES. But now your putting more wear on the Valvetrain parts, and the parts will tend to and will break down the road. Some people just dont want to be always fixing up there car, and still want a good DD with quickness. Well thats where the VS comes in.
Your logic when it comes to this is wrong and makes no sense. Im sorry to say.
You stand alone on this, and i bet almost anyone will back me and the others in on this conversation with you, up.
Does my Youtube video i shared with you and the GPF world of OrangeL67 VS cam setup on a 2.6" not mean sh*t? Let me tell you what, That build is not half-assed, at all.
I wish OrangeL67 would jump in on this conversation. He knows way more than anyone of us in this conversation. He personally Loves the VS cam. Want proof?
Here ya go:
http://www.grandprixforums.net/vs-cam-vs-xp-cam-51337.html
http://www.grandprixforums.net/xp-vs-s1x-cams-71948.html
Grand Prixs Of North America • View topic - VS cam dyno numbers from my CompG
Built GTP on 2.6" pulley - YouTube
Grand prix GTP vs GXP 75 to 150+ - YouTube
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