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Zzp CSC Kit..Questions..

SnowFlake said:
You can pick up a TVS these days for less than $1200, which is a better blower than the novi 1000.
The novi 1000 with the FMIC will yield about 30-40whp more than where he is right now.
It's a small CSC that is also old. For $1200 I'd be leery... Might be good for hahas around 7 or 800 bucks.
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Alright, what's the tvs?
 


Good lord pandoras box here it comes google tvs regal ill just leave it at that.

Flake what about the custom lim that is just going to magically appear? And sure the TVS now maybe cheap to find but it wouldn't be complete. Not starting a pissing match, that csc kit is barely more than a A2W IC kit for the M90 and the csc has an ic kit with it also. Pretty much no matter how you look at it for the price I'd say its a good deal for the money as long as that kits complete.

People have gone a lot faster with a csc kit on little to no mods vs a m90 build with the same little to no mods.
Surely only thing that out performs the csc is a turbo.... along with that comes at least x2 the price tag.
(im talking intercooled turbo kit because the csc kit is apples to apples!)
 
Lol not starting anything, I just had no clue about any of these, nor have I heard of this csc kit or the tvs prior to any of this. I appreciate the input from both of you and ill just look imto this stuff further. Its really not a necessity I was just seeing if thid kit was worth it n what id even need to run it. It is local like I said n if I can get it for the right price n felt it was worth it id jump on it, that is all lol.
 


We often see people ask, "Which is better- CSC or Turbo?" The answer would depend on your definition of "better." Here are some differences between them.

CSC's or centrifugal superchargers have a compressor housing very similar to the compressor used on a turbo. The impeller is spun by a drive pulley being turned by a belt much like the alternator, power steering pump, etc... CSCs use internal gears to speed up the impeller by a specific ratio. Because boost is dependant mostly by impeller speed, and impeller speed is dependant on engine speed, CSCs don't make very much power at low RPMs. Power comes in stronger and stronger towards the top end. While this may hurt power "under the curve", it does have it's advantages. First, not many front-wheel drive cars can put down a lot of power off the line. CSC power comes in smoother which makes launching easier. Second, the torque curve of a CSC is fairly flat. Since torque is basically a measurement of how much power the engine can make at one instant, it is what can harm an engine or transmission the easiest. Peak torque is where the engine is most likely to detonate. A CSC doesn't create the huge torque numbers that a turbo does that can easily cause detonation. Also, the trans will hold up better with the power curve from a CSC. Finally, since the exhaust on a CSC powered engine can be built much differently than a turbo engine, the CSC engine can use a more aggressive cam profile in most cases.

Turbochargers have a compressor with an impeller that is turned by a turbine wheel in a separate housing with the exhaust gasses flowing through it. Because the turbo needs a lot of exhaust in order to spin fast, it will never spool instantly even if the engine is revved quickly. However, advancements in turbocharger system technology have made excessive "turbo lag" a thing of the past. A properly built turbo system should spool pretty quickly, and because boost is load dependant, not RPM dependant, turbos can make peak boost over a wide RPM band. This helps turbos to make more average horsepower than CSCs can. Also, turbos do not take horsepower directly away from the engine the way that a CSC does in order to turn the pulley. While CSCs are pretty efficient, they can still eat up 20-30 hp in some cases. Of course this isn't bad when it is adding 200 or more HP.

Here are some comparisons:


Turbos cost less. The actual turbo itself is less expensive than a comparable centrifugal supercharger.


CSC install is easier. I can install a CSC kit in about 3 hours.


Turbo is quieter. It also quiets down the exhaust some.


The new CSC drive systems will be pretty quiet as well.


Turbos are easy to get more power out of a mild setup than a CSC. CSCs require getting yourself into a higher RPM range in order to make a lot of power.


If you have a 3800 stall converter and 3.69 gears, CSC cars will launch hard. CSC cars with these mods are relatively easy to launch and get good sixty foots. Turbo cars are difficult to launch consistently. They have the potential to launch hard, but it's more difficult to do it consistently.


If you run a turbo capable of making 800 HP, good luck spooling it off the line.


If you run a CSC capable of making 800 HP, good luck doing it without belt slippage.


Both can improve your fuel economy. (off throttle of course) Turbo can improve it more since they like taller gears (lower numerically).


Both have the potential to make more power than most people will ever need.
In conclusion, it will always come down to personal preference as well as ultimate goals in order to decide which system is "better."
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http://www.stattama.com/index.cfm?id=175691&fuseaction=browse&pageid=52
 
Good read right there, good to see less strain on the tranny, thats one thing id be worried about. My car has 74500 miles only and I really wouldnt want to mess stuff up. Although I understand thats a gamble you take with making more hp. Also good to see its fairly easy to hook it all up as im no expert.
 
If you have a 3800 stall converter and 3.69 gears, CSC cars will launch hard. CSC cars with these mods are relatively easy to launch and get good sixty foots. Turbo cars are difficult to launch consistently. They have the potential to launch hard, but it's more difficult to do it consistently.

That should seem most appealing! 3.69s = trap speed as long as your tires don't go up in smoke which is exactly what a csc is good for making power in the mid band and up low end grunt isnt needed.

And .....Also, the trans will hold up better with the power curve from a CSC.

Ohh and when you people find a Stattama turbo kit for 1200 dollars let me know...

I got sick of getting reeled in by my buddies RSX on the interstate with my Gutted GTP it would absolutely spank that rsx from a dig up to about 85 90 after that its game over. My car was just togs headers 3.4 pullied and not much else. Top end is where Id want all the power in a build IMO gears would certainly help once its out of the hole but 3.69s are a completely different subject and others will have entirely different ways to go about that. As fast as Im concerned sc and 3.69s would be crazy fun.
 


SnowFlake said:
All the TVS needs is an adapter plate machined. His DBW TB will even bolt to it.
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When you did this project, many questions came up about where you got the plate done or specs so they wouldn't need to reinvent it. Do you have the name of a business and an approximate cost? It interests me, as a buddy is looking to sell a TVS.
 
the CSC powerband is what makes it a great addition. it gains boost per RPM so it makes the car more manageable on launches and makes peak power at peak RPM. more boost is as simple as a pulley swap, just like the m90.

and the CSC sounds ****in cool as ****.
 
a novi 1k has the potential to make up to 400whp, and a novi 2k up to 650whp.. Not sure where the figures are coming from that they are turds in the power department.
 
Haha thanks guys for making me want it now haha. So what would I look for to see if anythings bad on the fmic or the sc itself. He said it wouldnt get shaft play like a turbo would..just check the fins on the ic and what else?
 


That chick who had the white Monte that was the ZZP test car back when, was just a GTwhatever cammed L36 with exhaust; tossed on an intercooled N2K kit, pretty sure it ran basement 11's.

I'm betting that's somewhere in the realm of a lot more than 280-300WHP.
 
You should be able to run a gen 3 or 5 s/c case with the rotors removed and lim with this kit. You would still need to buy a cap for the s/c case that runs about $50? With the l36/l26 lim/uim you would need to cap the injector holes on the head and run a N/A fuel rail or cap the fuel injector holes on the l36/l26 lim.

I modified your original title the other day, it's not a turbo, it's still a supercharger.

These kits were rarer because at the price they originally went for it was cheaper to run a turbo kit. It would be a fun kit to have.
 
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There are lots of advantages over a roots blower.. easy intercooling, less power draw, more belt options, "fun" powerband although not particularly good at low end power a 400whp csc will feel like a rocket ship and actually get some traction on summer tires.
 
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