Should I remove the resonator AND the cat?
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Liquifire
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I believe that an exhaust shop can modify any part of the exhaust that they want. It just can't be used on the streets by the owner of the vehicle.(hence the term off road pipe on the non catted versions of the DP on the sites) I am not positive of this, but that is what I thought. Otherwise no exhaust shop would modify anything newer than a 1975 right? No modding of headers, cat's, resonators, or mufflers would be accepted.......please correct me if I am wrong.
TheOtherNick
The mod from over yonder
To Dreama:
Well . . . hate spoil your dreams - "Dreama" but what you did was illegal. I hope you are not going to college in California because in some places here, they would confiscate the car, give you only a few days to put the cat BACK on, have it certified OEM complete by an EPA approved lab (including a stock or APPROVED PCM tune) and smogged to pass, and if you did not do it - depending on where it is they could order the vehicle off road use only and yank the registration- or order the car crushed in addition to a hefty fine. If you were caught street racing with it - it would likely get crushed in some areas.
Perhaps where you are they look the other way, but you just made your vehicle unable to be sold in many states. The guy who did this for you - if he has a real business could face a hefty fine for doing it, and likely did so because there is value in the stainless steel and platinum from scrapping the catalytic converter. So in essence he stole from you to sell your precious metals - unless he gave them back to you of course.
It is also a Federal offense to tamper with or defeat any part of the emission control system and any vehicle 1975 or newer.
The reason you cannot find an Oxygen Sensor simulator is because the leading set of fools who brazenly broke the law and sold these things - Casper's Electronics were halted, fined and basically destroyed by the EPA for making those devices. It was a $75,000 fine, they had to refund all money, and recall every single one of them. Read about it here => Casper's Electronics, Inc. | Civil Enforcement | Compliance and Enforcement | US EPA So . . . NOBODY will sell those things now - because even if they are caught trying to sell one on eBay - eBay and the seller will get fined. The injunction covers anyone who participates in promoting or selling such a device.
If you are just starting college, you must be a young man, but I am 53 and have been working on cars - and GM cars in particular - for probably as many years as you are old, and removing the back pressure required for an engine to develop the best horsepower can have a lot of effects - too many of which there are to list here - but let me say - I do fuel injection systems - and you say you removed (or want to remove) the Oxygen Sensor - also a Federal offense - and this is what controls the fuel injection system. If you do that you will put the car into "limp home mode" and it will get poorer mileage and higher emissions.
You may think it runs better and faster - and it probably is, will and does - because you are pumping more fuel through it than required and it will decrease the life of the engine and also cause a host of other problems I will not even try to begin to list here.
Some other poster here made note of the sound of a V-6 without a good muffler system or a glass pack setup. Every time I hear some yahoo who has put on a performance muffler to get a "throaty" sound from anything other than a good ole' V-8 engine - I laugh. Anyone with half a brain and an ear can tell the difference the louder you make it. A four banger will always sound like a four banger - pure crap, and a six cylinder - V type or not - with always sound like a drone machine a little better than crap, and the only thing that will sound heathy, hearty and strong is a V-8 with dual exhausts and an equalizing cross-over, - and I am partial to the GM small block sound.
Of course no one here is going to like what I just said - but here is food for thought. Since what this guy did was illegal; and you did not know any better; I would march right back over there and tell him to put it all right back on - for the same price he took it off for - FREE - AND smog the car to guarantee it is running right as from the OEM. He is liable. If he does not do it - report it to the EPA and the Justice Department will pay him a visit and make him do so and maybe yank his business license if he has one. That covers your tail in the meantime.
There are lots of ways to get more horsepower and better mileage lawfully and that is what we do - but what you did Dreama ain't it - so there is said.
All advice on the Internet is not good advice. Do not take it off - put it back on.
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Bob
LOL, if you are that worried about emissions buy a bike and get off car forums. Also removing an 02 sensor a federal offence :th_laugh-lol3: are you serious you know federal offence = felony right? If you want to an environmentalist nazi then sell all of your cars stop using any power source and go live in the woods. Oh one last thing **** california, they hate cars and guns I love both.
DnaProdigy
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And they smell their own farts....
Episode where the Broflovski Family moved to California.
Watch here.
BwolfGT
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Lmfao. I love SP.
BwolfGT
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blueguy
The Blue One
To Dreama:
Well . . . hate spoil your dreams - "Dreama" but what you did was illegal. I hope you are not going to college in California because in some places here, they would confiscate the car, give you only a few days to put the cat BACK on, have it certified OEM complete by an EPA approved lab (including a stock or APPROVED PCM tune) and smogged to pass, and if you did not do it - depending on where it is they could order the vehicle off road use only and yank the registration- or order the car crushed in addition to a hefty fine. If you were caught street racing with it - it would likely get crushed in some areas.
Perhaps where you are they look the other way, but you just made your vehicle unable to be sold in many states. The guy who did this for you - if he has a real business could face a hefty fine for doing it, and likely did so because there is value in the stainless steel and platinum from scrapping the catalytic converter. So in essence he stole from you to sell your precious metals - unless he gave them back to you of course.
It is also a Federal offense to tamper with or defeat any part of the emission control system and any vehicle 1975 or newer.
The reason you cannot find an Oxygen Sensor simulator is because the leading set of fools who brazenly broke the law and sold these things - Casper's Electronics were halted, fined and basically destroyed by the EPA for making those devices. It was a $75,000 fine, they had to refund all money, and recall every single one of them. Read about it here => Casper's Electronics, Inc. | Civil Enforcement | Compliance and Enforcement | US EPA So . . . NOBODY will sell those things now - because even if they are caught trying to sell one on eBay - eBay and the seller will get fined. The injunction covers anyone who participates in promoting or selling such a device.
If you are just starting college, you must be a young man, but I am 53 and have been working on cars - and GM cars in particular - for probably as many years as you are old, and removing the back pressure required for an engine to develop the best horsepower can have a lot of effects - too many of which there are to list here - but let me say - I do fuel injection systems - and you say you removed (or want to remove) the Oxygen Sensor - also a Federal offense - and this is what controls the fuel injection system. If you do that you will put the car into "limp home mode" and it will get poorer mileage and higher emissions.
You may think it runs better and faster - and it probably is, will and does - because you are pumping more fuel through it than required and it will decrease the life of the engine and also cause a host of other problems I will not even try to begin to list here.
Some other poster here made note of the sound of a V-6 without a good muffler system or a glass pack setup. Every time I hear some yahoo who has put on a performance muffler to get a "throaty" sound from anything other than a good ole' V-8 engine - I laugh. Anyone with half a brain and an ear can tell the difference the louder you make it. A four banger will always sound like a four banger - pure crap, and a six cylinder - V type or not - with always sound like a drone machine a little better than crap, and the only thing that will sound heathy, hearty and strong is a V-8 with dual exhausts and an equalizing cross-over, - and I am partial to the GM small block sound.
Of course no one here is going to like what I just said - but here is food for thought. Since what this guy did was illegal; and you did not know any better; I would march right back over there and tell him to put it all right back on - for the same price he took it off for - FREE - AND smog the car to guarantee it is running right as from the OEM. He is liable. If he does not do it - report it to the EPA and the Justice Department will pay him a visit and make him do so and maybe yank his business license if he has one. That covers your tail in the meantime.
There are lots of ways to get more horsepower and better mileage lawfully and that is what we do - but what you did Dreama ain't it - so there is said.
All advice on the Internet is not good advice. Do not take it off - put it back on.
Bob
Want me to take it?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
*take a breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
not done.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Ok...seriously. Your a tool, go back to your Prius. There is so much fail here I don't even know where to begin. But I will tell you one thing. If you join a forum with EVERYONE owning a V6 powered car AND the intent to modify them...don't come here and bash them and call members out and say there doing something wrong; when they are not for one...and TWO...I could careless how old you are, because...if you ARE 53...then you should act your age and get on a SBC forum and talk about how great your 350 sounds vs. our 231. We know they don't sound good.
Thanks, have a great day in your crap-ass state where they actually CARE about emissions...SUCKS FOR YOU!! HAHA!!
As for internet advice...it is stuff like yours why people don't take the posts on forums seriously.
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BwolfGT
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TheOtherNick
The mod from over yonder
lol 350's. Every body that owns one thinks they are BA. You can always tell when a chevy truck has a 350 around here, it will have straight pipes and sound like ****.
BwolfGT
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Nice! IMO camaros are ugly. I'm sure most people on here will disagree though.
TheOtherNick
The mod from over yonder
I like the classics and the 2 newest generations.
Liquifire
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so pretty much everything except 82-97?
TheOtherNick
The mod from over yonder
or most of the 70's
a98gtp4u
New member
I have a 3 inch catless downpipe with no ubend and 3 inch exhaust all the way back split 2 2.5 inch dynomax mufflers, and believe it or not it sounds really good, its not raspy and its not 2 loud. It has an aggresive roar to it. I never had 2 put an 02 sensor simulator, my check engine light never came on and its been a while now. They did put the 02 sensor a little farther back then what it was originaly tho, maybe thats it.
DnaProdigy
New member
Weird you didn't get the p0420 "Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)" code.
Do you have a res? Sometimes the rasp is actually reduced by aftermarket exhaust systems, the mufflers specifically.
BwolfGT
New member
Got a video?
a98gtp4u
New member
No,camera broke. Ill try 2 get something soon. I was surprised i didnt get a code either. My check engine light works, i made sure. Oh well, if it aint broke, dont fix it. Ill atleast try 2 get some pics up soon. The guy who made the exhaust did a hell of a job 4 only 250 bucks.
First, since I have a degree in Law, my best guess is none of you have a degree in anything.
Second, since Casper's was found by Justice Department officials surfing the web, all of you continue to holler loud and proud your lawlessness and they can find you and this site too.
Third, this guy asked, and I gave him the correct answers and maybe not what he wanted to hear but it is the correct answer.
Fourth, as to DNAprodigy's question for proof of crushed cars there is picture of SIX stacked on top of another all crushed - wheels and all with one of the ex-owners standing there looking at what was once his pride and joy on the front page of the Los Angeles Times for June 21, 2007 and I would have attached it, but your site will not allow the upload - it fails as to both PDF and JPG - under the listed sizes allowed - so look it up yourself. Crushing street racing | Bottleneck Blog | Los Angeles Times They do not have the picture I have of the six of them stacked up. [google for more] I never said anyone would be sought out and arrested, but that would mean the reader would need to know the distinction between civil and criminal law - and since no one here is I am sure with a law degree - I am sure I can forget any understanding there from anyone here. I am not here to debate with someone so clearly wrong. Never argue with a fool, most listens cannot tell which is which
Fifth, I fully expected largely absolutely completely juvenile responses most of which would be wrong - and they are. If anyone can actually find and read the anti-tampering provision of the Clean Air Act you will find what is unlawful to remove or replace without it being an approved replacement - period. Caspers had your kind of attitude right up until they had given in pay up and loose big.
Sixth, I have a Chevy 350 that is roots blown with a GM Eaton setup that came off of Grand Prix and absolutely I am sure gets way better mileage than anything anyone is driving here; (even though it it BIGGER); is street legal under OEM emissions spec; has dual fueling systems and from what I see is way too technologically advanced for anyone here to understand. The only difference bewteen it and a 2009 GM LS9 is it is a LS9 from 1974 casting block (four bolt main) upgraded all the way to a 2009 version.
So, seventh, I am nowhere near "senile" - I own an alternative fueling company and work with the EPA on targeting trends and we are looking at who to make an example of next int he coming wave of legislation aimed at Cap and Trade enforcement policies.
Eighth, you young men do not know who you are talking to when you spout off, but you are all trackable through your handles, what you put in print and IP registrations, and you stupidity shows among some of you. I could be a lawyer - (a.k.a I have a Law Degree) or a Judge or the EPA itself. Are you all that stupid? I guess so. The government is considering policing the Internet more strenuously as to this kind of behavior, websites and beliefs. You've been advised of such.
Ninth, my mission was to look for sites to spend advertising dollars at and whose sites to block from receiving our ads.
I think I have just about enough info from this site.
I had not intended to waste time returning here - but from a pestering email from the post I left. Since I cannot see how to unsubscribe from the posts of this forum - I do not need the forum - I run this kind of business and no one here can offer me any information of any value to me except nutcases are really alive and well on the Internet.
I will not sell to sorts like you here, becasue like Caspers, I must bear responsibility for the items we vend, and this is not the place to offer anyone the products we have.
While I am at it - I might contact some the sponsors whose ads are showing and tell them what they are spending money on here - and then maybe the moderator/owner will think twice before letting this kind of buck wild lawless behavior run loose on the sire and destroy it's commercial value and appeal.
Lastly - to Liquifire - what i said was 100% percent accurate. Removing ANY part of the emission control system to defeat it's purpose is unlawful under Federal and most state laws.
Wow, today's young are really fools I see.
Bye now - Bob :th_king-evil:
unsubscribing from site
Second, since Casper's was found by Justice Department officials surfing the web, all of you continue to holler loud and proud your lawlessness and they can find you and this site too.
Third, this guy asked, and I gave him the correct answers and maybe not what he wanted to hear but it is the correct answer.
Fourth, as to DNAprodigy's question for proof of crushed cars there is picture of SIX stacked on top of another all crushed - wheels and all with one of the ex-owners standing there looking at what was once his pride and joy on the front page of the Los Angeles Times for June 21, 2007 and I would have attached it, but your site will not allow the upload - it fails as to both PDF and JPG - under the listed sizes allowed - so look it up yourself. Crushing street racing | Bottleneck Blog | Los Angeles Times They do not have the picture I have of the six of them stacked up. [google for more] I never said anyone would be sought out and arrested, but that would mean the reader would need to know the distinction between civil and criminal law - and since no one here is I am sure with a law degree - I am sure I can forget any understanding there from anyone here. I am not here to debate with someone so clearly wrong. Never argue with a fool, most listens cannot tell which is which
Fifth, I fully expected largely absolutely completely juvenile responses most of which would be wrong - and they are. If anyone can actually find and read the anti-tampering provision of the Clean Air Act you will find what is unlawful to remove or replace without it being an approved replacement - period. Caspers had your kind of attitude right up until they had given in pay up and loose big.
Sixth, I have a Chevy 350 that is roots blown with a GM Eaton setup that came off of Grand Prix and absolutely I am sure gets way better mileage than anything anyone is driving here; (even though it it BIGGER); is street legal under OEM emissions spec; has dual fueling systems and from what I see is way too technologically advanced for anyone here to understand. The only difference bewteen it and a 2009 GM LS9 is it is a LS9 from 1974 casting block (four bolt main) upgraded all the way to a 2009 version.
So, seventh, I am nowhere near "senile" - I own an alternative fueling company and work with the EPA on targeting trends and we are looking at who to make an example of next int he coming wave of legislation aimed at Cap and Trade enforcement policies.
Eighth, you young men do not know who you are talking to when you spout off, but you are all trackable through your handles, what you put in print and IP registrations, and you stupidity shows among some of you. I could be a lawyer - (a.k.a I have a Law Degree) or a Judge or the EPA itself. Are you all that stupid? I guess so. The government is considering policing the Internet more strenuously as to this kind of behavior, websites and beliefs. You've been advised of such.
Ninth, my mission was to look for sites to spend advertising dollars at and whose sites to block from receiving our ads.
I think I have just about enough info from this site.
I had not intended to waste time returning here - but from a pestering email from the post I left. Since I cannot see how to unsubscribe from the posts of this forum - I do not need the forum - I run this kind of business and no one here can offer me any information of any value to me except nutcases are really alive and well on the Internet.
I will not sell to sorts like you here, becasue like Caspers, I must bear responsibility for the items we vend, and this is not the place to offer anyone the products we have.
While I am at it - I might contact some the sponsors whose ads are showing and tell them what they are spending money on here - and then maybe the moderator/owner will think twice before letting this kind of buck wild lawless behavior run loose on the sire and destroy it's commercial value and appeal.
Lastly - to Liquifire - what i said was 100% percent accurate. Removing ANY part of the emission control system to defeat it's purpose is unlawful under Federal and most state laws.
Wow, today's young are really fools I see.
Bye now - Bob :th_king-evil:
unsubscribing from site
a98gtp4u
New member
Wow. Bob is a d**k. Whos gonna tell me what i can and cant do with my car if where i live has no emission requirements, and honestly, theres plenty off people here with there s/c v6's that would put your crappy ass v8 2 shame. with that being said, Screw bob, let him unsubscribe.
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