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I make an honest mistake then.

I made the assumption that GTP1977 was you.

For that I apologize.

And for calling you a tool. :)

I dont doubt its a better construction method, I doubt the application. If theres no bench testing to see just how effective it is compared to the competition then its throwing money at something without knowing if its going to work or not.

I'd love to have that IC core because of the air gap-esque design and the bar and plate core but its unproven in our application. Thus I'll prolly end up with a WBS IC unless someone tests this one and a few others before I buy in the spring.

Summary: The concept works yes, but this guys cores are untested in FWD 3800's thus I will refrain.
 


matt5112 said:
I make an honest mistake then.

I made the assumption that GTP1977 was you.

For that I apologize.

And for calling you a tool. :)

I dont doubt its a better construction method, I doubt the application. If theres no bench testing to see just how effective it is compared to the competition then its throwing money at something without knowing if its going to work or not.

I'd love to have that IC core because of the air gap-esque design and the bar and plate core but its unproven in our application. Thus I'll prolly end up with a WBS IC unless someone tests this one and a few others before I buy in the spring.

Summary: The concept works yes, but this guys cores are untested in FWD 3800's thus I will refrain.
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I am sort of with you but also sort of lost at the same time which sometimes happens with me trying to read. LOL! The bar and plate design was already proven to work VERY well for our applications but was to pricey for people to buy when it was proven to be the best out in the Thrasher design. Same design just in a smaller model as it sits. They can be made any way that the buyer wants them to be made and at a VERY cheap price. The reason we can get it so cheap is because of the fact that Marty the guy who makes them is the owner of IRC and since he does all of the work himself there is no overhead kind of price jacking that gets done like when you go to other vendors cause the other vendors are paying a place to make them.
I know that everyone wants side by side bench testing or what ever else but it just isn't going to happen with guy at this point since he doesn't have any of the other I/C's to test it against. I sure am not going to buy others just to do testing just so others feel like it makes sense to go ahead and get one. LOL! Hey if you know anyone that wants to give up their I/C's for any certain period of time then let them know I want their I/C and that I would have no idea when it would be returned. LOL! See thats the upside to ZZP testing cause they had the I/C's on member cars to do the testing.

I really don't know what to tell people when they want testing cause no testing has ever been done that is what most would call reliable since the only place that has done the testing is ZZP in which means the are bias to the results and how they come out. For all anyone knows they were not the best cooling drops at all which sucks to think about it that was but it very well could have happened.
 
The thrasher application of bar and plate worked well but we have no idea how marty's cores work in our cars.

Thats what I'm saying.
 
matt5112 said:
The thrasher application of bar and plate worked well but we have no idea how marty's cores work in our cars.

Thats what I'm saying.
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Well to find out that right now the only thing I can tell you or anyone else is that William Stewart and Htown se are the ones running it on their cars currently. Rodney who is htown se was supposed to get a dyno shortly after he installed it blew his trans shortly after the install so it didn't make it to the dyno but it is up and running now and I am not sure when he is going to the dyno now.
 
I'd need to see someone do 3 pulls with marty's core after the engine is fully heat soaked and another three with say a ZZP or WBS core.

Also: monitoring I/C coolant temps would be useful as well.

But i'd like to see his dyno regardless.
 
matt5112 said:
I'd need to see someone do 3 pulls with marty's core after the engine is fully heat soaked and another three with say a ZZP or WBS core.

Also: monitoring I/C coolant temps would be useful as well.

But i'd like to see his dyno regardless.
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Good luck with that. Everyone would love to see this happen but plain and simple it never will. No ones who has any money cares about these cars anymore. If they do have money they are driving a GP. The only ppl that have the money to do this is the vendors like ZZP and WBS but why would they spend money to make their good selling IC's lose their top spots they are in? It's just never going to happen.
 


matt5112 said:
I'd need to see someone do 3 pulls with marty's core after the engine is fully heat soaked and another three with say a ZZP or WBS core.

Also: monitoring I/C coolant temps would be useful as well.

But i'd like to see his dyno regardless.
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It would need to be independent I know that. To much of the "well ZZP already tested everything before" any time an I/C comes about. Like the guy that was making an I/C out of laminova (sp) cores, he got jumped on left and right about how it doesn't work for what ever reasons. Independent is the way to go on the testing tho.
I found out from William Stewert that he was going to be getting coolant temps when he finished his I/C stuff cause as of right now he has the IRC core but uses a ZZP FMHE so he is going to be going with a custom FMHE from IRC and doing temp measurements at that point.

Thinking of that where is the best place to set up temps readings for an I/C? I asked William and he said he is not sure where most do it but he was going to measuring at the FMHE cause of his set-up. Not sure why that is but it did make me wonder where the best place actually is.
 
Hmm....

Really we need a thermal probe in the LIM... It could be near the nipple for vacuum/boost readings, but it'd have to be there. No other open spot on the LIM and thats the only place to get an accurate reading.

This is probably why ZZP is one of the few who have tested this...
 
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