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My XP'd engine was shifted up to 6400 in the '97 GT, no issues with 105's. I'd rather do a rocker setup over a vs cam, tbh. Ginseng, would the numbers from the cam cards be sufficient for you? Are you arguing that a vs will make the same/more power than an xp on an identical setup?

What im saying is the xp has more potential than running 105s and valve float is a real thing.Will you notice any issues....no. People dont give the vs enough credit.

Also this is just a wild though but ive heard quite a few storys of bad lobes on the xp cam. Could this possibly be due to the fact that people are floating valves causing premature wear on the cam lobes.I know this is def far fetched but its a thought that popped into my head.
 
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What im saying is the xp has more potential than running 105s and valve float is a real thing.Will you notice any issues....no. People dont give the vs enough credit.

Also this is just a wild though but ive heard quite a few storys of bad lobes on the xp cam. Could this possibly be due to the fact that people are floating valves causing premature wear on the cam lobes.I know this is def far fetched but its a thought that popped into my head.

I've heard about LS guys having issue with comp cams and lobes wearing out prematurely. Apparently comp cams didn't heat treat their cams properly so they wear excessively. Not sure if that's the case with the 3800 grinds though. But I'd rather not chance it which is why I want to go with the S1X since it's by Cam Motion instead.
 
Honestly I don't know. L67 rods are stronger though. I know that

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It's the opposite adecker, l32 rods are stronger and much thicker on the big end. Op, if your trying to make some power, I would stay away from the reground cranks.I never experienced it myself, but there said to break or flex under high load.That's why I said most will buy a good junkyard motor for the crank and then have it polished.That's what I did aswell.

I was unaware of that being an issue with the reground cranks. I considered getting a JY engine for the rods and crank but L32's don't show up often at the junkyard near me. I probably won't be spinning this engine past 6100 RPM and don't plan to make over 400HP though. So with that being said do you think it should still be fine?
 
you could save yourself about 2 grand if you just use a used engine and call it a day. rebuilds are damn expensive. used blocks last longer a lot of the time and work just dandy, ( cheap to replace if it does blow up)

this is 4 pages deep but, but your having a shop rebuild it right? or your really wasting your money and time. cause a back yard rebuild dont last 200 miles.

all this being said, i have no idea what your plans are here, as ive not seen them listed.

oh, theres no real HP gains after 6,000 rpm's, why guys make these little engines scream for their lungs is beyond me.
 
I was mkaing power up there Scotty. It's all in the cam and boost types
Only reason I stopped at 6300-6400 was because of valve float and a non balanced block.

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you could save yourself about 2 grand if you just use a used engine and call it a day. rebuilds are damn expensive. used blocks last longer a lot of the time and work just dandy, ( cheap to replace if it does blow up)

this is 4 pages deep but, but your having a shop rebuild it right? or your really wasting your money and time. cause a back yard rebuild dont last 200 miles.

all this being said, i have no idea what your plans are here, as ive not seen them listed.

oh, theres no real HP gains after 6,000 rpm's, why guys make these little engines scream for their lungs is beyond me.


I'm having the machine shop do the machine work and then rebuilding it with my father. We've done a few engines so I don't know why this wouldn't last. If you have any suggestions on things to do that may help it last that would be great. I'm not looking to have a shop rebuild it because that is hella expensive.

As for the cam and shift points, I'll stick with the 6k shift point per your suggestion if that's your recommendation for the S1X cam.
 
you just dont want the valves floating on you. springs help with that. but stronger springs also beat on the timing chain, so you need to deal with a double roller and all it take to make that work right too.

some guys are up to 7,000 rpm, thats like so silly to me, but every cam has its power range.

as far as the rebuild, the machine shop is a great first step, it needs that. id have them cut/grind/polish the crank, balance the rods. after all that the rebuild is standard. thing is the blocks twist when the crank comes out, so getting the mains align honed is the most important part of the rebuild. as well as making damn sure all your clearances are with in spec on the bearings. ( but it seems you know all that stuff already)

and a good old hot tanking of the block cant hurt either, make sure its super cleaned out.


sad part is even after all this they some times dont last 2 miles. just had a guy here who had the shop rebuild his bottom end, and it spun a bearing asap.

then we also have guys who rebuilt motors that have lasted 30,000 miles and still run great. rebuilding is a expense crap shoot in my book.

why we like to use a 3 to 400 used black to start with, then build it up from there. any engine with around a 100,000 miles is a baby still lol

like my set up now, i have a regal gs, the sc engine blew up, and i used a l36 bottom end, some lightly ported l67 heads, 1.95 roller rockers and the stock pulley back on. its pulling almost as hard as the the old 3.4 pulley on the old l67. cost about 200 in gaskets and fluids and done.

my old engine had 240 on it, this one has 109,000 and purrs like a kitty.
 


sadly the 300 to 400 dollar used block will net the same hp in the end. and be just as reliable. and like i said, if it blows up your not out all the shop costs and the time to rebuild the bottom end. just new gaskets and the engine swap time.
 
you just dont want the valves floating on you. springs help with that. but stronger springs also beat on the timing chain, so you need to deal with a double roller and all it take to make that work right too.

some guys are up to 7,000 rpm, thats like so silly to me, but every cam has its power range.

as far as the rebuild, the machine shop is a great first step, it needs that. id have them cut/grind/polish the crank, balance the rods. after all that the rebuild is standard. thing is the blocks twist when the crank comes out, so getting the mains align honed is the most important part of the rebuild. as well as making damn sure all your clearances are with in spec on the bearings. ( but it seems you know all that stuff already)

and a good old hot tanking of the block cant hurt either, make sure its super cleaned out.


sad part is even after all this they some times dont last 2 miles. just had a guy here who had the shop rebuild his bottom end, and it spun a bearing asap.

then we also have guys who rebuilt motors that have lasted 30,000 miles and still run great. rebuilding is a expense crap shoot in my book.

why we like to use a 3 to 400 used black to start with, then build it up from there. any engine with around a 100,000 miles is a baby still lol

like my set up now, i have a regal gs, the sc engine blew up, and i used a l36 bottom end, some lightly ported l67 heads, 1.95 roller rockers and the stock pulley back on. its pulling almost as hard as the the old 3.4 pulley on the old l67. cost about 200 in gaskets and fluids and done.

my old engine had 240 on it, this one has 109,000 and purrs like a kitty.


Yeah we make sure to check clearances on bearings and such to makes sure they're in spec. The machine shop told me they can't hot tank the block since I'm only getting the cylinders honed and reusing my stock pistons. They said they will clean it up very well though. Is getting the rods balanced completely necessary?

It's strange that the block would twist when the crank comes out, any idea what causes that? Also, I got a crank from rockauto its been ground .010 under.
 
sadly the 300 to 400 dollar used block will net the same hp in the end. and be just as reliable. and like i said, if it blows up your not out all the shop costs and the time to rebuild the bottom end. just new gaskets and the engine swap time.


Well my fear with that is the fact that my engine failed at only 138k. I got the car with only 84k on it two and half years ago. No idea why it failed other than a previous owner neglected to change the oil on time as there was gunk in the lifter valley.
 


from what ive read here its got to be something with how short the blocks is, once the crank is unbolted the block will twist ever so slightly, then you rebuild it and its bonked if not align honed.

making sure the rods are the same weight will make the engine more balanced always. they weigh em all and and make em match the lightest one. is it necessary? no, but as long as you got the shop id use em for as much as i could. i mean if your going to rebuild it, go that extra inch.

your already set on this, and cash invested, so carry on. but id never put more into a engine for a car then the car itself is worth, unless it was a cherry classic car of course. or a damn near new one with modding potential.
 
from what ive read here its got to be something with how short the blocks is, once the crank is unbolted the block will twist ever so slightly, then you rebuild it and its bonked if not align honed.

making sure the rods are the same weight will make the engine more balanced always. they weigh em all and and make em match the lightest one. is it necessary? no, but as long as you got the shop id use em for as much as i could. i mean if your going to rebuild it, go that extra inch.

your already set on this, and cash invested, so carry on. but id never put more into a engine for a car then the car itself is worth, unless it was a cherry classic car of course. or a damn near new one with modding potential.


Interesting and surprising, the 3800 looks like a strong little block with its deep skirt and cross bolted mains.

Haha yeah I'm dumping way more into this car than its worth but I love the thing. The transmission alone was equal to or more than what the car is worth. I've been through too much with it and put too much work into it to give it up lol. Lightning damage and all, finally got that mess straightened out.
 
Well my fear with that is the fact that my engine failed at only 138k. I got the car with only 84k on it two and half years ago. No idea why it failed other than a previous owner neglected to change the oil on time as there was gunk in the lifter valley.


mine was given up on 8 times before i got it, so 8 people quit giving a crap about it. inside my engine was a real mess of sludge and black burnt oil inside.

my valley when i did the lim job a ways back.

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burnt oil caked rockers. when i took the heads off this block i had to dig to find the head bolts lol

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and it ran well till chip showed up. even with regular oil changes the valley is still black. damn thing leaked oil from everywhere too it seems.

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then this kinda fell in my lap. gave it all new gaskets and seals.

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a little porting.

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and some paint.

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