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Venom Coolers (intercool your snout)

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So I've kind of stayed out of this but after discussing it with some other people prominent in this community (and others), absolutely no one can fathom how this would make any kind of substantial difference. I haven't taken a dremel to a blower either (we CNC port) and I don't play an internet know-it-all but the basic premise behind the way this product is advertised as working just isn't sound, at least to the point where it would make anything but a nominal difference in outlet temperatures. It's akin to putting ice on the blower between runs only you're just putting ice on the snout and it's not ice... it's a cup of room temperature water. I mean it just doesn't pass the sniff test at it's most basic level and then to see all these posts trying to complicate something that's so simple just kind of makes it smell even more like a load of bull****. We all kind of got a giggle that it got this far in the production process because it's just so unbelievable.

Perhaps the platform this was tested on has an issue where the blower snout is so close to another heat source that it absorbs some of that heat and maybe on that particular application cooling the snout accomplishes something but even if that's the case, this would be a complicated solution to a simple problem.

We've never had anyone question a product when we put up clear and concise before and after numbers. Is there a demonstration or log of outlet temperatures pre and post cooler? If so can you provide links to that info?
 


^^^ only thing I can see this doing is making the not so hard process of changing the SC oil easier....

I mean its kind of "cool" but to me its just one more thing that can break and IF something like that were to fail it would be catastrophic!!!
 
So what exactly is flowing through there? Coolant? In place of supercharger oil?

If not, where is there a water jacket in the about?
 
i've been looking at like a water cooled motorcycle engine cylinder. if you know what that looks like. same idea i guess.

it still runs sc fluid.
 
wow this thread is full of drama

and the mods here usually don't lock a thread till it's gone too far
 
Mike Kopstain said:
So I've kind of stayed out of this but after discussing it with some other people prominent in this community (and others), absolutely no one can fathom how this would make any kind of substantial difference. I haven't taken a dremel to a blower either (we CNC port) and I don't play an internet know-it-all but the basic premise behind the way this product is advertised as working just isn't sound, at least to the point where it would make anything but a nominal difference in outlet temperatures. It's akin to putting ice on the blower between runs only you're just putting ice on the snout and it's not ice... it's a cup of room temperature water. I mean it just doesn't pass the sniff test at it's most basic level and then to see all these posts trying to complicate something that's so simple just kind of makes it smell even more like a load of bull****. We all kind of got a giggle that it got this far in the production process because it's just so unbelievable.

Perhaps the platform this was tested on has an issue where the blower snout is so close to another heat source that it absorbs some of that heat and maybe on that particular application cooling the snout accomplishes something but even if that's the case, this would be a complicated solution to a simple problem.

We've never had anyone question a product when we put up clear and concise before and after numbers. Is there a demonstration or log of outlet temperatures pre and post cooler? If so can you provide links to that info?
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Mike, you really hit the nail right on the head with your post. There has never been any clear and concise numbers....nor will there ever be. The guy that produces these had a bad rep already, and it's a shame to see a guy who seems to know alittle about what he's doing align himself with such a useless product ( I'm referring to the OP)

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Mike Kopstain said:
So I've kind of stayed out of this but after discussing it with some other people prominent in this community (and others), absolutely no one can fathom how this would make any kind of substantial difference. I haven't taken a dremel to a blower either (we CNC port) and I don't play an internet know-it-all but the basic premise behind the way this product is advertised as working just isn't sound, at least to the point where it would make anything but a nominal difference in outlet temperatures. It's akin to putting ice on the blower between runs only you're just putting ice on the snout and it's not ice... it's a cup of room temperature water. I mean it just doesn't pass the sniff test at it's most basic level and then to see all these posts trying to complicate something that's so simple just kind of makes it smell even more like a load of bull****. We all kind of got a giggle that it got this far in the production process because it's just so unbelievable.

Perhaps the platform this was tested on has an issue where the blower snout is so close to another heat source that it absorbs some of that heat and maybe on that particular application cooling the snout accomplishes something but even if that's the case, this would be a complicated solution to a simple problem.

We've never had anyone question a product when we put up clear and concise before and after numbers. Is there a demonstration or log of outlet temperatures pre and post cooler? If so can you provide links to that info?
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It's not complicated, it's actually very simple :th_toothless:.

The snout still has it's own oil supply but Stiege is adding an additional cavity around the front drive shaft to circulate coolant around the front drive. All this does is lower and stabilize temps of the supercharger. Many guys who run these on the Mustangs (Cobras and GT500's) road race and burn up their superchargers esp. if they pulley up for more boost and power. The Venom Cooler eliminates heat soak in these applications. It also eliminates the need to "ice down" your supercharger in between rounds of drag racing.

I don't see where I've overcomplicated this or made any claims of MORE POWER. I have'nt. This mod is simply to add reliabiltity to the supercharger in overdriven applications and eliminate heat soak which stabilizes the cars performance. Sorry if I misrepresented this :rolleyes:. I will have data as soon as I get my system installed. Just got my intercooler yesterday so it will be pretty soon to have results. This product was not designed exclusively for the GTP, it's simply an option that has other applications. I think this "community" :th_dancingtrio: is making a bigger deal out of this than it warrants. Again, if you are not interested, DON'T BUY ONE :th_hammerhead2:.

AND, if the premise was'nt sound, GM and Whipple would'nt have pattent apps for thier own liquid cooled superchargers. So sniff that.



An unprofessional response to an unprofessional post. :th_farting:
 
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alkygto said:
It's not complicated, it's actually very simple :th_toothless:.

The snout still has it's own oil supply but Stiege is adding an additional cavity around the front drive shaft to circulate coolant around the front drive. All this does is lower and stabilize temps of the supercharger. Many guys who run these on the Mustangs (Cobras and GT500's) road race and burn up their superchargers esp. if they pulley up for more boost and power. The Venom Cooler eliminates heat soak in these applications. It also eliminates the need to "ice down" your supercharger in between rounds of drag racing.

I don't see where I've overcomplicated this or made any claims of MORE POWER. I have'nt. This mod is simply to add reliabiltity to the supercharger in overdriven applications and eliminate heat soak which stabilizes the cars performance. Sorry if I misrepresented this :rolleyes:. I will have data as soon as I get my system installed. Just got my intercooler yesterday so it will be pretty soon to have results. This product was not designed exclusively for the GTP, it's simply an option that has other applications. I think this "community" :th_dancingtrio: is making a bigger deal out of this than it warrants. Again, if you are not interested, DON'T BUY ONE :th_hammerhead2:.

AND, if the premise was'nt sound, GM and Whipple would'nt have pattent apps for thier own liquid cooled superchargers. So sniff that. :th_farting:
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Urrrgh, again you totally miss the point ........ the snout is only a small percentage of the mass of the supercharger. The part that gets heat soaked isn't the snout, in any application, its the case. The amount of heat added to the case from the snout via conduction is minimal....if at all.

Then you go say that "all" this does is add reliability to the supercharger, and eliminate both heat soak AND the need to ice your case between runs............AND then you also say in the same paragraph that it doesn't add power!?!?! Plus, what you "say" it does is exactly what an inter cooler is proven to do...I thought u said this wasn't a replacement for an inter cooler???????

And just for good measure.........GM and Whipple have patents for FULLY JACKETED BLOWERS.....that ions away from the 1 cooler line that is added to the outside of the snout.......

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copgtp said:
Mike, you really hit the nail right on the head with your post. There has never been any clear and concise numbers....nor will there ever be. The guy that produces these had a bad rep already, and it's a shame to see a guy who seems to know alittle about what he's doing align himself with such a useless product ( I'm referring to the OP)

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How can you malign a business you have never dealt with? Do you always make your determinations from conjecture? While I agree that there so far has been no testing done on this particular application (GTP) testing and results have been posted for other applications.

And I take offence at you insulting two personal friends of mine.



You show your immiturity in every post you make.
 
copgtp said:
Urrrgh, again you totally miss the point ........ the snout is only a small percentage of the mass of the supercharger. The part that gets heat soaked isn't the snout, in any application, its the case. The amount of heat added to the case from the snout via conduction is minimal....if at all.

Then you go say that "all" this does is add reliability to the supercharger, and eliminate both heat soak AND the need to ice your case between runs............AND then you also say in the same paragraph that it doesn't add power!?!?! Plus, what you "say" it does is exactly what an inter cooler is proven to do...I thought u said this wasn't a replacement for an inter cooler???????

And just for good measure.........GM and Whipple have patents for FULLY JACKETED BLOWERS.....that ions away from the 1 cooler line that is added to the outside of the snout.......

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I see your point......you should wear a hat to cover that. :th_jester:
 
alkygto said:
How can you malign a business you have never dealt with? Do you always make your determinations from conjecture? While I agree that there so far has been no testing done on this particular application (GTP) testing and results have been posted for other applications.

And I take offence at you insulting two personal friends of mine.



You show your immiturity in every post you make.
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You keep bringing up my "immaturity" , yet you have YET to link anyone to any results.........REAL RESULTS. none of this bull IR thermometer testing......

Oh, and if your planning on installing an inter cooler AND a snout cooler.......without testing your snout cooler before ic install, you might as well not post ot, because those numbers will be the gains u get from the ic....not the snake oil cooler.

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Reliability for the price of another supercharger when these snouts never go out?

For half the price of this thing you could get ceramic bearings for the snout and never have to worry about it. Why don't people buy the ceramic bearings? Because these blower snouts never really go out.

Rolling Performance Home

"Our ceramic ball bearing snout kits will boost the performance of your supercharger by reducing some of the parasitic loss standard steel ball bearings present which will free up some lost horsepower used to drive your supercharger. Ceramic ball bearings offer 40% less friction and the balls are 60% lighter than steel balls. They are much better suited for high speed applications, and exhibit excellent thermal properties making them perfectly suited for the high rpms and heat generated by the supercharger. In addition, ceramic ball bearings will provide 3 to 5 times longer life. This is the last time you will ever rebuild your snout."

3 to 5 times longer on a blower that doesn't have snout issues sounds pretty good to me.
 
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Why is everyone getting thiernties in a bunch over this. All dude is saying is this helps overdriven supercharger snouts keep cooler and last longer. And goes onto to say that it hasnt been tested on a gtp. I never read anything about him claiming to add power. They were designed for bigger applications if I read that right? So then they probly do make sense for something like that. It does seem silly to put one on a gtp, because we never have problems with them going out. He just put the option out there for anyone who wants to give it a try. Its something new, if someone wants one let them get one. If you dont, well then dont. People spend money on their car all the time for things they dont "need" but thats what modding your car is all about. Also seems like this would maybe work better paired with the snakebite gearing for the snout? I have taken a dremal to my supercharger (and it wasnt prettyy lol) and am no where close to an internet genuis but this thread has gotten pretty rediculous. I can see the speculation without some evidence, but even with some evidence I could see people saying some sh!t like "oh thats not a good test". Alky seems like a pretty straight forward guy from what Ive seen on here and is willing to try and help others. Thats where I base my opinion on somebody. Not just what Ive "heard". :th_peaceout:
 


alkygto said:
It's not complicated, it's actually very simple :th_toothless:.

The snout still has it's own oil supply but Stiege is adding an additional cavity around the front drive shaft to circulate coolant around the front drive. All this does is lower and stabilize temps of the supercharger. Many guys who run these on the Mustangs (Cobras and GT500's) road race and burn up their superchargers esp. if they pulley up for more boost and power. The Venom Cooler eliminates heat soak in these applications. It also eliminates the need to "ice down" your supercharger in between rounds of drag racing.

I don't see where I've overcomplicated this or made any claims of MORE POWER. I have'nt. This mod is simply to add reliabiltity to the supercharger in overdriven applications and eliminate heat soak which stabilizes the cars performance. Sorry if I misrepresented this :rolleyes:. I will have data as soon as I get my system installed. Just got my intercooler yesterday so it will be pretty soon to have results. This product was not designed exclusively for the GTP, it's simply an option that has other applications. I think this "community" :th_dancingtrio: is making a bigger deal out of this than it warrants. Again, if you are not interested, DON'T BUY ONE :th_hammerhead2:.

AND, if the premise was'nt sound, GM and Whipple would'nt have pattent apps for thier own liquid cooled superchargers. So sniff that.



An unprofessional response to an unprofessional post. :th_farting:
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Geez, I didn't think my post was unprofessional at all. I actually bit my tongue until I spoke with other people to get their opinions as well. The general consensus was that it was an over-complicated solution to a simple problem. If it's being billed as a way to keep the snout cooler and extend the life of the supercharger then so be it but that's not how I saw it being advertised and despite that, it's not a problem we see on the 3800s. I can count the bearings we've sold for the M90's on 1 hand. This was a post from the OP:

the snout is where all the heat of the blower comes from, by cooling the snout itself you help lower the temp of the blower itself in turn helping to lower your intake temps even more. Also even if you are running a phenolic you are still going to get heat transfer from the motor to the blower (not as much but it is still there) by keeping the whole blower cooler you eliminate heat soak which will take hp from you, and with a hotter blower you are going to be breaking down the oil and putting more stress on the bearings in the snout.
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The bold is what concerns me. The insinuation that this would have anything other than a barely measurable (if that) affect on outlet temperatures I find to be disingenuous. As far as the mechanical process goes, yeah most of the measurable heat from the outside of the blower is coming from the snout but the effect this has on outlet temperatures in nominal. Look at the changes in efficiency and outlet temperatures between the Gen III and the Gen V and look at snout design between the two. How much difference is there in the snout? You're addressing A to fix B.
 
Mike...... read the whole post, you'll see one thing in common......

The people who have been around for a bit are all grossly skeptical about this product doing anything at all.....

And most newbies are interested in results bc they want a cheap alternative to a full ic. I really don't care HOW this is marketed ...... the manufacturer wants poker to think this will lower case temps.....and somehow magically lower intake temps. Which we all know is laughable.

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Oh, and to respond to "Ricky21" ..... the test that would need to be done is stupid simple....... intake air temps taken from a non inter cooled setup AFTER the blower.....and then bolt a snake oil cooler on and do the same Dyno run. Pretty simple, no?

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Pure2sin said:
Reliability for the price of another supercharger when these snouts never go out?

For half the price of this thing you could get ceramic bearings for the snout and never have to worry about it. Why don't people buy the ceramic bearings? Because these blower snouts never really go out.

Rolling Performance Home

"Our ceramic ball bearing snout kits will boost the performance of your supercharger by reducing some of the parasitic loss standard steel ball bearings present which will free up some lost horsepower used to drive your supercharger. Ceramic ball bearings offer 40% less friction and the balls are 60% lighter than steel balls. They are much better suited for high speed applications, and exhibit excellent thermal properties making them perfectly suited for the high rpms and heat generated by the supercharger. In addition, ceramic ball bearings will provide 3 to 5 times longer life. This is the last time you will ever rebuild your snout."

3 to 5 times longer on a blower that doesn't have snout issues sounds pretty good to me.
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