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OBAMA OR McCAIN?????

offroadfury6 said:
so do u think I should do what most of America is doing? judge him on his popularity...cause thats all every election is...
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Judge ANY candidate on how he/she feels regarding issues that matter to you. If religion matters to you, then by all means, make your decision by that. I was trying to make the point that according to the 1st Amendment, religion should have NO bearing on the candidate AS A WHOLE.

I don't agree with Obama's stands on all the issues. But for the majority of issues I am most concerned with, there are more pluses with Obama than minuses. We're not here debate personal politics. One of the biggest energy policy things I am most in support of is more nuclear power. But Democrats have usually been on the anti-nuke platform. Odd, considering the only engineer who has been president? A nuclear engineer, and a Democrat - Jimmy Carter.

Three Mile Island "spoiled" nuclear power for most of the US. But guess how many people died because of TMI? ZERO. People die in coal mine accidents all the time as well as oil rig accidents. But the coal plants haven't shut down.
 


im starting to get into this political stuff i was watching a convention on tv and obama tore mccain a new 1 it was awesome! lol
 
I think the debates are where this race is going to be won or lost. One of the candidates is going to be made to look really silly, and that will do it for a lot of independents.
 
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offroadfury6 said:
He attended a muslim school, and catholic...trust me, he still believes in some muslim ways...one of his parents was athiest, other muslim
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He attended a Muslim school for 2 years and a Catholic school for 2 years. This happened when he was a small child. I don't think a 6 year old can tell his parents, "No mommy, I don't want to go to that church." When you're that age, you do what your parents tell you. You can't compare 2 years of practiced religion for 2 decades... I trust the facts...
 
^^^my kids will tell me and Ill listen if its about church. On second thought, I wont put my children into church where they will be fed a bunch of bull**** and lies.



My vote is definetly for McCain now, especially since PALIN is on board.

gotta love a governor who got picked to be a running mate while in a lawsuit against the US government.
 
well to keep everyone current... I'm lovin everything Sarah Palin has to say...she just may be our first female president one day, until then...i'm now leaning towards the mccain party
 


I dont vote for political parties, but I am a bit conservative. I definitely do not like Obama. I was not horribly excited about McCain but Ive listened to what he has had to say in previous presidential runs and was more inclined to vote for him over Obama simply because he scares me a little, about as much as Clinton. But now that Palin is on the ticket, she has kinda made it a bit more certain who I will vote for.

In fact Im watching the republican convention now in fact.
 
Here's what bothers me about Palin. Much of what was discussed as bad reasons to pick Tim Kaine as a running mate (little foreign policy experience, hadn't finished first term as governor) were glossed over when picking Palin.

Something else that keeps bothering me is McCain/Palin supporters are often saying, "You wouldn't ask that if she was a man! Stop picking on her because she's a woman!" Ok, then stop saying she's "a mother." How many times have McCain or Obama said, "He's a great father, with 7 or 2 children" over and over?

Another favorite, "She's governor of the largest state!" Will they also say, "She's governor of the 47th most populated state!"

I think many Hillary Clinton supporters that immediately would change their vote because Palin IS a woman will reconsider. Just because she doesn't have a penis doesn't mean her views are the same. She is a card carrying conservative, probably more so than McCain. If those are your views, than he picked a winner.

A lot of reports are that McCain wanted to go with Joe Lieberman or Tom Ridge because he has a better relationship with them. But the Republican party would have a stroke if either one of them was the nominee.
 
I think you kinda touched on some important things. There is too much, for the lack of a better word, strategy when selecting something like a VP. But I really blame the public for that. They are more impressed with speech giving ability, likability, superficial things like that instead of true qualifications.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. We ask more questions of and do more of a background check for employees of McDonalds than we do the people we vote into office.

Theres just a lot wrong with the process as a whole, much of it our own fault. The change isnt necessarily going to come from Washington. Its going to come from the people when they get tired enough to truly focus on an issue and demand true change.
 
As I was having a discussion with coworkers yesterday, the Constitution really only lays out TWO requirements to be president - natural born citizen and 35 years old. Even worse, the requirements for a Supreme Court justices? NONE. If you have a VERY friendly Congress, a president could nominate an 8 year old and he or she be approved.

REAL change will be a President and Vice President nominee that have never even VISITED Washington, DC. TRUE outsiders. :D
 
Deezul_AwT said:
REAL change will be a President and Vice President nominee that have never even VISITED Washington, DC. TRUE outsiders. :D
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I too think this would be good as well. The unfortunate thing that would kill such an idea is the campaign financing and the reluctance of the general public to give any such people a real chance, even if they had excellent ideas, plans and goals.
 


SyntheticShield said:
I too think this would be good as well. The unfortunate thing that would kill such an idea is the campaign financing and the reluctance of the general public to give any such people a real chance, even if they had excellent ideas, plans and goals.
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Yep, Catch 22.

If you've been in politics you're a Washington Insider. If your new, you have no experience. What is the benchmark?

Abraham Lincoln is up there in the top 5 American presidents. Guess what his elected political experience was before he was president? ONE term as a representative in Illinois. He lost in 1858 for a Senate seat. Not only that, but he completed that term 10 years before he was elected president.

I'm not saying Bill Gates should be president, but how are you going to argue that the richest man in the world (maybe not right now) is not a good choice? He must have been doing something right...
 
Alot of the success due to such examples as Abraham Lincoln was because it was all before the media age. I dont remember the presidents name now, but there was one that was in a wheel chair due to polio or something. You think he would have been elected today?

We tend to be a vain society unfortunately. We also tend to want to be told what to think so when the media says something about someone, we usually bite hook line and sinker. I think if we did more research on our own, found the facts for ourselves things would drastically different.
 
SyntheticShield said:
Alot of the success due to such examples as Abraham Lincoln was because it was all before the media age. I dont remember the presidents name now, but there was one that was in a wheel chair due to polio or something. You think he would have been elected today?

We tend to be a vain society unfortunately. We also tend to want to be told what to think so when the media says something about someone, we usually bite hook line and sinker. I think if we did more research on our own, found the facts for ourselves things would drastically different.
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Franklin Roosevelt. He tried very hard to hide that he was in a wheelchair. Pictures of him usually were with him behind desks or sitting in chairs. And yes, those with disabilities can get elected. The governor of New York is legally blind. Granted, he was the Lt. Governor and became Governor when the former resigned, but I still believe the Lt. Governor in NY is elected separately from the Governor. NY residents, correct me if I'm wrong.

And you are spot on with the research. If the only choices for President were those that ran for the Republican party nominee, I'd have voted for McCain. For the Dems, it would have been Obama or Clinton. For them it might have come down to VP nominee.
 
Keet04GTP said:
He attended a Muslim school for 2 years and a Catholic school for 2 years. This happened when he was a small child. I don't think a 6 year old can tell his parents, "No mommy, I don't want to go to that church." When you're that age, you do what your parents tell you. You can't compare 2 years of practiced religion for 2 decades... I trust the facts...
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I agree, we must trust the facts! And the fact is, for 20 years, of his own free will, he attended a very racist led church of Black liberation theology!:th_thumbsup-wink:
 


Deezul_AwT said:
A letter from a resident of Wasillia, AK, where Palin was mayor.

snopes.com: A Note to All by Anne Kilkenny
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By all means you're not implying that a 90% approval rating in her home state is trumped my a local woman that doesn't like her?
How hard is it to find volumes of absolutely true, very negative stories of Obama, Biden, McCain or any other public person you name? The answer, not very. You seem like a sharp Liberal, I can't believe you offer that as proof of her as unfit!:th_laugh-lol2::th_laugh-lol2:
 
Randy_W said:
I agree, we must trust the facts! And the fact is, for 20 years, of his own free will, he attended a very racist led church of Black liberation theology!:th_thumbsup-wink:
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So I'll ask you, since no one wants to answer this. Does the 1st Amendment mean nothing? Is a person's religion a qualification for office?
 
Deezul_AwT said:
So I'll ask you, since no one wants to answer this. Does the 1st Amendment mean nothing? Is a person's religion a qualification for office?
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I hope he continues to exercise his first amendment rights, for the more he does the fewer that will vote for him.:th_thumbsup-wink:
 
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