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Meth vs Intercooler



Yea to much drama for me too. Kinda classless of ais to call me out on Christmas while i am trying to spend time with the wife and kids.

Yes the controller is progressive and does hook up to a 0-5v item.

But like i said i don't feel like dealing with him on christmas.
 
Yeah I have your progressive controller works great. I will probably be upgrading to a multi port system from ya soon.
 
I am honesty not a huge fan of the direct port injection setups. There are some plus and minus to it. Call me and i can go over it all with you.
 
stop contradicting me, i have not said one false statement in this thread. you are trying to talk down to me like im an idiot. i know how these cars react with meth and what is the best route, i DID IT.

i played with my system plenty and i loved running 100% methanol all the time. i never ran it at low boost levels that i would hit in normal traffic because it was a waste. i never got around to running a big setup with a pre and post nozzle setup, which is BEST for all applications with a blown car. if you say anything about that is wrong then you can take a hike.
 


i think they already did :)






on the other hand tho, i do think a maf set up is kinda of a good idea, not that the devils own is a bad set up, but something to look into.
 
Bio248 said:
stop contradicting me, i have not said one false statement in this thread. you are trying to talk down to me like im an idiot. i know how these cars react with meth and what is the best route, i DID IT.

i played with my system plenty and i loved running 100% methanol all the time. i never ran it at low boost levels that i would hit in normal traffic because it was a waste. i never got around to running a big setup with a pre and post nozzle setup, which is BEST for all applications with a blown car. if you say anything about that is wrong then you can take a hike.
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If you are running a meth kit on a low boost (6-8) psi setup, you are a retard, and your tune sucks. Spend your money on something else that can utilize the power. The more boost you make, the better meth works....period. Progressive controller or not.
 
ais said:
Ask them not me.

Rodney
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Real classy answer, Your true side is showing again.

By the way Rodney how about you learn how a GM MAF works before giving people advise. They output Frequency not voltage. Very scary you don't know that. You guys should stick with the Grand Prix experts that are the actual vendors on the site.

The GM uses a "coldwire" MAF system (produced by AC Delco) where the inductance of a tiny sensor changes with the air mass flow over that sensor. The sensor is part of an oscillator circuit whose oscillation frequency changes with sensor inductance; hence the frequency is related to the amount of air (cubic feet per minute) passing over the unit. This oscillating electrical signal is then fed to the car's ECU. These MAF units (such as the one pictured) have 3 pins, denoted +, - and F. F carries the square-wave frequency between - and F. They are powered by +5 VDC from the ECU's regulated power supply.
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ais said:
Really. GM mass air meters don't send a 0-5 volt signal back to the computer? Then how do they work? And why have I used this signal to work with our controllers countless times? Also, how is it I have had customers use the LS1 mass air on their 3800 engine by using a 3 to 5 pin adapter pigtail?

Rodney
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GM MAF sensors produces a frequency signal they do not output a zero to 5 volt signal, How do you not not no that. How do you think the AFC works on these? Looks like you need to do a bit more reading.

use a "coldwire" MAF system (produced by AC Delco) where the inductance of a tiny sensor changes with the air mass flow over that sensor. The sensor is part of an oscillator circuit whose oscillation frequency changes with sensor inductance; hence the frequency is related to the amount of air (cubic feet per minute) passing over the unit. This oscillating electrical signal is then fed to the car's ECU. These MAF units (such as the one pictured) have 3 pins, denoted +, - and F. F carries the square-wave frequency between - and F. They are powered by +5 VDC from the ECU's regulated power supply.
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Your not only giving our customers wrong information your on our forum. How do you not know how a GM MAF sensor works vs a MAP sensor is beyond me.

We should ban you just on you giving people the wrong info.

I suggest people here stick to the guys that know Grand Prixs like the back of there hand. We did run the OK GP Club for years and had over 200 members back in the day.
 


dvldoc said:
Your a idiot, You do know Chance started and runs this forum right? :th_jester:

Why do you think we commented on the nerve of you to get on here. Duh!:th_lightbulb:
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I know you guys banned me. Which if you ask me I think is the easy way out of not dealing with the questions or comments I made.

I never called anyone names as your doing here. Since your going to call me names I figured it only fair to respond. If you look back through my posts. My first post was "you are Devils Own" or something along those lines. I had no idea Chance started this site. As I mentioned someone posted a link on this forum which when someone clicked on it and was redirected to our site we received a notification through our web tracking software.

Reading through a post I recognized the screen name 468Rocket as Chance from Devils Own. Just curious why he would act like someone else. I guess he didn't want to answer that question. Just as you don't want to comment on the nozzle post I made and why we have the same nozzle as you guys. Why did you stick that company with thousands of dollars worth of nozzles you agreed to buying? He's going around calling me dirty. It business so get over it. I didn't stiff a company for thousands of dollars worth of nozzles.

Rodney
 
If you read my posts I was trying to pass on some info to other members on this site concerning water methanol injection but I see that its getting way off topic and nobody seems to care about that.

Rodney
 
dvldoc said:
Real classy answer, Your true side is showing again.

By the way Rodney how about you learn how a GM MAF works before giving people advise. They output Frequency not voltage. Very scary you don't know that. You guys should stick with the Grand Prix experts that are the actual vendors on the site.
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You must be confused. I've ran a lot of our controllers on GM MAF's I can't speak about your controller because I don't know anything about it MAF function. I was just explaining that to use a boost signal on a roots supercharger or twin screw is really no better then using a on off boost switch.

I wouldn't have any of my twin screw or roots style supercharger customers use a boost signal is they wanted to get a progressive feature. You a MAF signal instead .

Rodney

Rodney
 
DevilsOwn said:
I just want to point out so someone does not try this. never hook up an item intended for 0-5v input to an item that gives off a 12v signal ..... Anything that is gm maff is this way. But you should not that because like you said you have sold hundreds of these.
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The MAF doesn't give off a 12 volt signal back to the ECU.
 


01GTP said:
You said that theirs was not progressive which it is. So why not ask you?
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Go back and reread the posts I wrote about using a boost signal as your signal for your controller on a roots style supercharger. Roots style superchargers basically go right into full boost before 3000 rpm. Its a positive displacement supercharger. Same with the twins screws. they don't build boost gradually like the centrifugal's do like ProCharger or Vortech. If the controller is working off of a boost signal. Its going to do the same thing and ramp up very quickly on the bottom end.

Its best to use a MAf signal with roots and twins screw superchargers when you want to get a progressive feature out of your water methanol injection system.

Rodney
 
Its christmas holiday and and i for one am not to argue with you. The maff gives off a freq based output. Anyone that has much to do with gm maffs knows about this.

There is nothing wrong with running a boost based system off a twin screwed/roots style supercharge. X boost creates Y amount of heat it's purely that simple. If your trying to remove y amount of heat is not varying then the you don't need to increase the amount of injection. If your trying to use the use the meth kit as a 2ndary fuel system then having it being based off of maff freq would be more ideal. I don't recommend it behind done this way. I can get into a longer explantion of this when i am not busy spending time with my family.

But you done noting but come on here and try to undermined peoples option of my company. and nothing to benift this site so your not wanted here.
 
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