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yee haw. snow

I havent had a issue in the snow with my GTP, hell i even towed my buddys Dead SE in a foot of snow. change your driving habits and get better tires and you wont have any issues.
 


you mean pass if the abs light is on? i did here in NJ 2 years ago. but if you disable it you can plug it back in then go to inspection.

they only seem to care about the check engine light.
 
Ok that makes sense cause I'm in full believe that the reason I wrecked this year was because of abs disabling my breaks since I never had abs on my other 2 cars
 
in snow with the stock front brakes my regal was horrid for stopping, abs would kick in if you touched the brakes. F bodys fixed all that up. stops much better in snow now, or wet roads. hell in the rain the abs dont even kick in any more.
 


I have a 98 gtp with no abs or traction control without the light for abs being on but trac ctrl light is off... hmmm oh well...
I got to play in the snow on the 26th and I was strangely disappointed that I couldn't really "play" too much. it did surprisingly well I've had 4wd trucks that did worse in the snow and ice than this- 97 s10 blazer 2001 Durango both of which did terrible and Fat N' Sassy kept on truckin
 
I've never had issues with my car in the snow. The only time my ABS has ever kicked it, it did what it was supposed to do - I heard clicking, and felt the pedal pulsing under my foot, which is what I was used to from other cars that I've driven with ABS. No braking skid, no lock up, and I stopped safely with no sliding or issues. Yes - stopping distance was increased, but that's why I drive a bit slower and brake sooner in the snow...and I don't start through an intersection if there's a car coming...too many close calls with cars sliding through in the past. Seriously - it's not so much about the cars, it's about how you drive it.
 
So you're saying you admit ABS is making stopping distances worse on ice/snow, but it doesn't matter? It's not all about how YOU drive. You have to stop for the idiot drivers around you too, I need dependable brakes. I wouldn't shrug something like that off as no problem if you drive decent. Anything can happen around you.
 
Which would you prefer? Slamming on the brakes and letting all four wheels lock up and letting you go merrily skidding through the intersection on the sheer sheet of ice and then sliding sideways into the ditch as the braking skid worsens, OOOORRRRRR....taking an extra 10 feet to stop as the ABS kicks in? The ABS will stop you...locking up the wheels on a sheet of ice will not...
 


On my 02 GT I always have used all season radials. I leave the ABS and traction control on and learned to drive the car with those engaged. I always have common sense about driving in blizzards, i.e. I don't. I have hit a patch of ice and the traction control light came on, and guess what? Nothing happened I got across the ice. I will admit though when it comes to winter driving it pays to have learn how to drive in place where it snows. For me it was Pittsburgh, PA and Wheeling, WV. Snow tires are a luxury, if you can afford them - have at it, but for us who are on a budget - learning to drive with what you have works just fine.
 
loopy smurf said:
The ABS will stop you...locking up the wheels on a sheet of ice will not...
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There's a guy on the forums who slid a little on wet leaves(right two tires only I think), and abs kicked in so long he hit a car, bounced off it, went another like 10 feet on dry concrete(and still couldn't stop because ABS was still screwing with the brakes) and went up a curb because even after he couldn't even brake on dry pavement.
I will try and do a test on a snow/ice covered parking lot and see with abs on and off which is safer. What will get me to stop, that's what I'm concerned with. I'll also try to get a section of dry pavement with 1 small sheet of ice, and see how long it makes me unable to stop. Then compare with abs disabled.

Also when you say that disabled ABS will let me "merrily skid through the intersection", what's that mean? With or without abs I won't be able to brake well, my main argument was that abs made stopping distance longer, and having it on would be more likely for me to "merrily skid through the intersection"

For the record, the only time I have ever encountered what I'm talking about was at night it was pitch black out, on black top. I hit a small patch of ice while lightly braking to turn into a driveway. When it happened I slammed on the brakes and even after I was up the driveway where there was no ice, I still couldn't stop at all.
 
loopy smurf said:
Which would you prefer? Slamming on the brakes and letting all four wheels lock up and letting you go merrily skidding through the intersection on the sheer sheet of ice and then sliding sideways into the ditch as the braking skid worsens, OOOORRRRRR....taking an extra 10 feet to stop as the ABS kicks in? The ABS will stop you...locking up the wheels on a sheet of ice will not...
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If you don't know how to control the car on ice then you shouldn't be driving, even with ABS. I NEVER had any issues on snow and ice covered roads in all of my cars before the Grand Prix because none of them had ABS. In the Grand Prix I have tapped the brakes while going down a hill and actually sped up because the brakes were going crazy.

Back when I had a broken wire going to one of my hubs and my ABS worked intermittently I was driving to work and the road in front of my building was still snow covered. (It usually doesn't get plowed until 7 or 8 and I get to work at 6) One day the ABS was on and as I go to turn into the parking lot I tapped the brakes and I slid 15 feet past the entrance. Got more snow that night and was coming to work and the ABS was not working. I hit the brakes and pulled right into the parking lot.

ABS flat out sucks on snow, ice, and anything that is anti friction.
 


stealthee said:
ABS flat out sucks on snow, ice, and anything that is anti friction.
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Amen. I'd leave it enabled in the summer but not the winter. ABS treats it the same whether you're skidding on dry pavement or just a little bit of slush on the road. The things that should be done in those two situations are completely different.
Theaceofspades said:
Should I be able to disable it if I just pull the fuse? This seems the easiest
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You should be able to do that. The DIC will probably ding every time you start the car.
 
I would hope it just throws a light on the dash. If it dings. I'll suffer through it and not mess with it because I can't handle that ding
 
It dings every time you start the car and brings up a message of the DIC. One for disabled ABS, one for disabled ABS. You have to hit reset twice every time to get back to the normal screen.
 
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