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YAY middle class F*CKED again !!



i like being able to have guns but all guns should be registered and have a round fired and entered into the registry.... this also means the second you notice your gun is gone you report it stolen.
 
i hear ya. Thats basically the only reason you guys exist.

I mean i like our system better because it means we're stronger as a nation.

The downfall of your freedoms is that you are letting people fall behind and then wondering why no one helps you when you start to fall behind. Only a little ironic?
 
I know that I ***** about our governemt But there are reasons
Our system is currupt and skewed to where most of us are blinded by whats truely happening
We havent been a true democrazy since the early 1900's
we gave the power to banks and now flash forward just under 100 years this is where we are

We were a country built on the constitution and we at one time were a great nation of freedoms and prosparity then big money took that away from us they tax every thing
tax the money you make tax the money you spend tax it all but the services dont show where the money goes ya know
 
its not that, its that you let the poor fall behind and then when the definition of "the poor" changes, you dont care, the poor should have gotten jobs and stopped being hippies.

Another big issue is credit and financial management, most people dont even know what those really mean.

Canada isn't much better, our welfare system basically encourages you to stay on welfare because when you're off it you have to work 40-45 hours a week to get paid maybe 300-350 a week after taxes.

get two people collecting welfare and they split an apartment then they're set for life basically.
 


i understand that thats why i am against welfare,section8,foodstamps,medical aid
Unless you have payed into the system you shouldnt be eligable

We also must adress the illegals issue they get these services and there are many "sanctuary" states that basically offer tons of services for them

We have big government that intrudes in state and private matters (people selling raw milk got raided by a swat team ) feds it is foolish that should be handled in a court order and such

Unfortunatly the rich are rich and the poor are forgotten
they move our jobs out of country cause labor and regulations easiers to get around foriegn trade is also an issue

plus the fact that we are entitled society and we have to keep up with the jones's

I know our system is fouled and not what it should be It makes me very sad as an american
 
03GTPLE said:
umm, well, for those that bought their homes in 2008, they knew they had to pay the money back. Typically $500/year taken from your taxes. When I was looking for a home in late 2008 and bought in 2009, that was the main focus on the timing of the tax credit.

The folks that have to pay back the money know they have to pay it back.
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I will start back with this I disagree with what your saying a little. If 100% of the people KNEW they'd have to pay the money back and NOT get the "tax credit" Ill dare say less houses would have been sold. This is like trading a vehicle in and supposed to get 5k for it then all of a sudden the bank adds on the 5K to your new auto loan. If you knew that 5K in this care was going to be added on would you have bought the new car??? Maybe Maybe not! If your right and people knew that they had to pay it back then they got what they had comming. However I have a feeling a much much more likely case was this was a plan to boost the lousey housing market in the first place and get people to buy homes. After all isnt owning a home with a white picked fence the American Dream??? Ill end on this note. It USED to be!!!!!
 
TorqueAutoMotiv said:
i understand that thats why i am against welfare,section8,foodstamps,medical aid
Unless you have payed into the system you shouldnt be eligable
We also must adress the illegals issue they get these services and there are many "sanctuary" states that basically offer tons of services for them
Unfortunatly the rich are rich and the poor are forgotten
they move our jobs out of country cause labor and regulations easiers to get around foriegn trade is also an issue
plus the fact that we are entitled society and we have to keep up with the jones's
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I disagree also that the programs such as welfare, food stamps, heating and housing assistance ect. ARE needed!! But this is what needs to change. Those programs CANNOT be a crutch to live on generation after generation! I came from a single parent household living in the cold midwest with my mother raising 3 kids. Without them programs we would have been screwed. But I can honest to God say that my mother worked to get better jobs and eventually opens a daycare where we went from not having food and being on programs to getting reimbursed for the food in our house by the daycare programs that she had to abide by to run it in the 1st place.
Your 2nd statement about the illegals is also a huge problem in the midwest were I live because of all the farming communities. If they hire illegal help which they do every year they should have massive fines put against them. After all where I live the farmers have the biggest houses, brand new fleet of trucks and ride brand new snowmobiles and Id say easily 75% have lake homes worth more than their regular homes. Now whos raping the system??
Your last statement about the rich getting richer and the poor being forgot is hard to argue with. But I am all for huge breaks on people starting new businesses. That would in turn employ others. I 100% believe that people should make no less than 10 dollar and hour. People make more they buy more its that simple. Im also for breaks on imcomes up to a certian tax bracket because middle class and below simply cannot afford to have the same amount taken from their taxes as the wealthy. Which is also why I favor a nationwide sales tax and no federal tax. States can keep their state tax but Nationwide sales tax. Everyone plays everyone pays!
 
its all very easy to fix but it will never be fixed
Im not saying state programs to help those in need are bad just abused and overly used
but i believe if you dont pay into the system you shouldnt be able to collect aide of any kind if you break the contract of aid you lose it for minimum of 6 months
if your not a legal citizen YOU DONT GET ****
if your a legal immagrant you must prove yourself and earn the right tocollect services minimum 2 years of solid in country work history where you paid your taxes

as far as tax goes federal is fine but make it a flat rate say 15% thats way joe blow making 20k a year pays his 3k a year and joe millions pays his what ever and no refunds for houses and bussines and so on stop that right now why take it away just to give it back lol oh i have a kid i get 1000 bak per kid i think not
Its funny my wife got back 8 k last year great all cause we have a bussiness that claimed a loss

state tax should be flat rate as well like 3% '

sales tax is bs every county is diff snf its hard to keep track

But playing games like this would mean every one is treated equal and we cant have that god forbid
 
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