Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2012"

[Ravenwald]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

And he spams another thread. Somebody get rid of this prick...

As for my weight gain?

About 10lbs this year. I'd like to lose it, but it would help to get working first. I don't have a job, so most of my time is spent looking for one over the vastness of the interwebs.

 

[SilvaMan61]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

No gym is really going to be better than another. Just chose one that has the stuff you want. For example if you like to swim for exerscise chose one with a pool. But it's up to you to use the weights correctly and frequently.

 

[SlowNA06]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

RARE, what do you think about IF? been looking into it, seems itll be alot easier than 27 bagillion meals a day. especially seeing as my work environment wouldnt tolerate me having three to four meals there.

I know you asked for him, but I know what Intermittent Fasting is. Frankly, it depends. You can consume 2,000 calories of quality food once a day and be just as healthy as the guy who eats 6 meals of 330 calories a piece of quality food. You're just going to feel hungrier. Otherwise, the difference between the two is absolutely nothing as far as your body is concerned - for the most part. As for extended fasting - I wouldn't advise that. Like Rare's mentioned earlier, sending your body into starvation mode is no good.

There will be subtle differences... the drops and peaks in blood sugar, for example, will vary. These events can be important for exercise regimen (ex: blood sugar spike immediately after lifting should help burn calories).

There is a ton of information available on the internet... but nutritionists exist for a reason, too. If you don't have the time to do some solid research on a diet, I suggest hiring a professional to do it for you.

 

[benner]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

I know you asked for him, but I know what Intermittent Fasting is. Frankly, it depends. You can consume 2,000 calories of quality food once a day and be just as healthy as the guy who eats 6 meals of 330 calories a piece of quality food. You're just going to feel hungrier. Otherwise, the difference between the two is absolutely nothing as far as your body is concerned - for the most part. As for extended fasting - I wouldn't advise that. Like Rare's mentioned earlier, sending your body into starvation mode is no good.

There will be subtle differences... the drops and peaks in blood sugar, for example, will vary. These events can be important for exercise regimen (ex: blood sugar spike immediately after lifting should help burn calories).

There is a ton of information available on the internet... but nutritionists exist for a reason, too. If you don't have the time to do some solid research on a diet, I suggest hiring a professional to do it for you.

I can't remember the last time I only ate 2,000 calories a day. It's been a couple months probably. I have to eat more than that or I'm starving. From what I've figured with my weight and activity level right now I'd have to consume around 3,400 calories a day to maintain.

 

[Hippo Machine]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Ok yea it must have been 20lbs in one month cuz Ik the one figure was right. Lost 20 gained 10 starting back up tomorrow. I'm such a shananiganizer.

 

[SilvaMan61]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Thaks man. My version of if would be a pre workout meal around 8:30pm and post, larger, meal after work out. I'd definitely consume closer to 3000 cals per day, maybe more on intense workout days. From what I've read it's supposed to be much easier and more beneficial, I just don't see how itd be much more beneficial. But apparently after a week or two your body gets used to the schedule and you don't feel hungry throughout the day. I'm on a bodybuilding forum and have been doing a lot of research recently.

 

[benner]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Forgot to post an update on weight loss.

I'm at 245lbs as of 5 minutes ago. And that's with drinking a ton of water today.

So since December 7th I've lost 77lbs as of today.

 

[RareGMFan]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Thaks man. My version of if would be a pre workout meal around 8:30pm and post, larger, meal after work out. I'd definitely consume closer to 3000 cals per day, maybe more on intense workout days. From what I've read it's supposed to be much easier and more beneficial, I just don't see how itd be much more beneficial. But apparently after a week or two your body gets used to the schedule and you don't feel hungry throughout the day. I'm on a bodybuilding forum and have been doing a lot of research recently.

Hunger would be the least of my concerns for eating that way. The bigger problem is the horrible distribution of nutrients, which is one of the biggest reasons the 5-6 smaller meals is usually recommended. For example, the general rule of thumb when trying to gain muscle mass is to consume at LEAST a gram of protein per lb of body weight. This means a 180lb person has to consume 180g of protein by the end of the day. Now when I tell some people this, they say "no problem, this protein shake has 70g in one serving alone!" Sorry, but the human body doesn't work that way. Though the exact number is debated, there's only so much protein your body can use in one sitting. The rest is not stored for later use. It will be wasted, and/or (more rarely) turned into fat. In other words, whether you consume 30g of protein right now, or 60g, in 3-4 hours you'll be right back to the same spot; out of protein. This means at that point, if the rest of your body needs protein for various functions and processes, it's going to resort to tearing down your muscle tissue to get that protein, because again, that's basically all your muscle tissue is comprised of (protein/amino acids). That is the catabolic state, which you never want to be in. It's hindering results.

You want to always be in an ANABOLIC (which simply means growth) state, and the best way to do that is to keep your body in a positive balance by eating often. There is a reason why pro-bodybuilders eat the way they do. Most pros and amateurs (trying to become pros) use at LEAST $150k/yr in illegal drugs to get to those ridiculous sizes. NO EXAGGERATION! That's THOUSANDS a month in steroids, growth hormone, insulin, etc. Yet despite this enormous advantage, they eat 7-8 times a day while awake, and even wake themselves up 2-3 times in the night to eat something. Why? Because they want to avoid that catabolic state at all times. Now I'm not saying you have to go that far. Obviously these guys are on heavy duty stuff that requires a lot of calories, and they're doing this for a living. However, it just emphasizes how important food is to this equation.

Bottom line: No matter what your goals are (loose fat, maintain, or gain mass), 70% - 80% of your success comes from your diet. Don't short change all the work you put in the gym by trying to take short cuts on the diet, or not feeding your body what it needs to compensate for what you're putting it through.

AND CONGRATS, BENNER! That's amazing! Keep it up.

 

[SilvaMan61]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Haha that's exactly what I was thinking.. Exept you said it smarter than I could have lol. Thanks for the insight rare.

And another congrats to benner that's great man. I bet you're feeling like a whole different person!

 

[SlowNA06]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

I'd have to consume around 3,400 calories a day to maintain.

Damn dude. You eat twice as much as me and you're losing weight while I'm gaining. That is wild. Congrats on the loss, too!

But yeah, not eating frequently enough will result in a lack of nutrients for 90% of your day, which leaves your body short of material to rebuild the muscles (among replenishing the cells of the rest of your body) you're tearing up. Things like vitamin C probably flush out of your body in two hours.

But your body will not tear down muscle tissue to get protein if you don't eat for a 24 hour period. That's silly. Your body would need to burn through the glycogen stored in the muscle, then fat, and when that's depleted it'll go for the muscles. You'd literally have to be starving to eat your own muscle, unlike what almost every muscle forum junkie thinks (thanks, product marketing!). Just make sure that if you're going to fast, you eat a bunch of very high quality proteins (casein (milk protein), for example, ought to last 6-7 hours). There would be nothing you could do about short-lived nutrients, really, except maybe supplement what you can with pills and such throughout the day - this would take some planning.

 

[RareGMFan]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

But your body will not tear down muscle tissue to get protein if you don't eat for a 24 hour period. That's silly. Your body would need to burn through the glycogen stored in the muscle, then fat, and when that's depleted it'll go for the muscles. You'd literally have to be starving to eat your own muscle, unlike what almost every muscle forum junkie thinks (thanks, product marketing!). Just make sure that if you're going to fast, you eat a bunch of very high quality proteins (casein (milk protein), for example, ought to last 6-7 hours).

You're talking about sustaining energy and calories for survival. I'm talking about physiological processes in your body (mood, brain function, hair skin and nails, etc) that SPECIFICALLY require amino acids in order to function (i.e. l-theanine for mood, l-glutamine for immune system, etc). Glycogen and fat will not help those processes. Therefore, your body will be forced to resort to stored aminos to keep those processes going, and even then, there are 8 "essential amino acids" that your body cannot synthesize from other aminos present in your body, so those will still be missing if your body doesn't get them from an outside source.

You want to talk about product marketing, though, your reference to casein protein lasting 6-7 hours.....now THERE'S product marketing. Yes, it's the slowest digesting form of protein out there, but nothing should take your body that long to digest and absorb. Not to mention what you really want is a variety of protein (whey, egg albumen (white), and casein) because each one has certain aminos that the other is missing, each one is higher in different aminos, and most importantly, they break down respectively in that order, so you get more of a time-released effect instead of whey digesting immediately, and then you're out of protein, or casein taking a while to break down, so you're out of protein while you wait.

 

[SlowNA06]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

It's not like it's all there and suddenly gone in 6 hours. More than half gone in 3. Intestines take forever to absorb nutrients. Protein absorption peaks at what, 1/2 hour? But damn dude. I just can't poop that fast.

 

[benner]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Well officially lost 81lbs now since December. 10lbs a month ain't to shabby.

Down to 241lbs as of today. I've been told by several people lately that I don't need to lose anymore but I still want 220lbs then I'll decide from there.

 

[SlowNA06]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

I've been told by several people lately that I don't need to lose anymore but I still want 220lbs then I'll decide from there.

Stay strong, man. Every time I lose a few pounds, my mother starts making all kinds of lasagnas and cakes like I've gone critical. They're just trying to hold you back!

...though it's somehow not a problem for me. Look and feel better than I have in a long time. Up 17lbs in the past two months. Gotta Goodwill two shirts because I can't fit in the sleeves/comfortably button them :th_crying1:. Might have grown extra bones or something. Not sure. :th_nervous:

 

[Bio248]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

i've been running and going on walks lately. this is all to ramp up to a 5k in a month ill be running.

i hope to keep it up and potentially lose more weight before i get married next year. gotta look baller in that suit.

 

[benner]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Yeah I've started running as well. My problem is I get bored really easy with running so I usually do a .5 to .75 mile run before my workouts just to get my heartrate up. Didn't lose any this week do to too much drinking lol. Gonna tighten up my belt the next few weeks though.

 

[Bio248]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

im not in it to lose weight. im trying to be 'healthier', i guess.

 

[JESSEGOTTA GP GT]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

I'm with you Bio. I have type 1 diabetes so trying to stay heathy is almost life essential. I'm about 20lbs over weight and since I've been trying to eat healthier and do more active things I'm loosing my gut, but nothing on the scales, pants are all baggy and loose now and my shirts look huge, but according to the scales I've only lost 3lbs.

 

[benner]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

I'm at 238lbs as of today. Havent been this low since freshman year of high school

 

[RareGMFan]

Re: Weight Loss or Weight Gain Thread "2010/2011"

Well officially lost 81lbs now since December. 10lbs a month ain't to shabby.

Down to 241lbs as of today. I've been told by several people lately that I don't need to lose anymore but I still want 220lbs then I'll decide from there.

That's beyond "ain't too shabby". That's downright phenomenal! Keep at it! And don't worry about what anyone else around you says about "too much" weight loss. I got the same thing when I initially dropped 30lb, and I'd tell people I still got a ways to go. Several people said "....really?? How low do you want to get?". When I tell people I want to come in around 180 or so (I'm 5'10") with a decent amount of muscle mass, they look at me like that's a sickly low number. This reaction is either because people want to feel better about their own weight problem, or because they're ignorant to what a healthy weight should be. I know what's right for my body. When I used to weigh 165ish, I looked anorexicly thin, so I know I don't want to drop that low again. I will have to play it by ear when I get closer to my target weight, but I ballpark guesstimating that 180is will be about right.

You will have to do the same. Just keep doing what you're doing, and you'll know when you're where you need to be as you get closer to it.

Yeah I've started running as well. My problem is I get bored really easy with running so I usually do a .5 to .75 mile run before my workouts just to get my heartrate up.

I went through the same thing when I first started working on my weight. I didn't mind putting in the work, but running on a treadmill or elliptical machine for an hour bored me to death. So I decided to get back into basketball, which I used to obsess over, and I got that old psychotic drive to play back instantly. I will literally hit the gym at 9 PM, and quite often play till 1 AM, and have been there as late as 2 or 3 AM many times. As tired as I get, as weak as the muscles become, as much as the joints start to swell, I simply can't stop till everyone leaves. That's when I'm forced to call it a night.

Likewise, you have to find a cardio activity that you are passionate about so that it becomes something you enjoy doing instead of being a chore.

Didn't lose any this week do to too much drinking lol. Gonna tighten up my belt the next few weeks though.

Don't worry about it. We all have days or even weeks where we mess up. The key is to not let that be an excuse to let yourself continue to slide back. Just treat it for what it is, a minor setback, and keep moving forward. Remember, this is a long term goal.

I'm with you Bio. I have type 1 diabetes so trying to stay heathy is almost life essential. I'm about 20lbs over weight and since I've been trying to eat healthier and do more active things I'm loosing my gut, but nothing on the scales, pants are all baggy and loose now and my shirts look huge, but according to the scales I've only lost 3lbs.

This is why I always told customers to stop worrying about the scale. Muscle is denser than fat. A 200lb fit man with some muscle mass will look MUCH thinner than a 200lb man whose body fat content is high. The problem is the generic term "weight loss". That can mean any drop in weight, including water weight, or muscle mass loss, which is bad. You don't want "weight loss". You want FAT loss. And if you're training with weights at all, or playing a lot of sports to drop that fat, you're also gaining muscle mass in the process. This offsets the weight that's being lost from the fat coming off, so you will notice the scale doesn't accurately reflect your actual FAT loss. What's FAR, far more important is how your clothes fit/how you look in the mirror. As you said, you can already clearly see the difference. THAT is your barometer.