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Venom Coolers (intercool your snout)

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I'm just having a couple thoughts out loud. Just tell me if any of this sounds like really stupid stuff to worry about.

On prevention of snout part failure due to heat:

  • How hot does the oil in the snout actually get when it turns faster than stock?
  • Does that temperature harm the lubricating properties of the oil? (this might be found at bobistheoilguy, actually)
    • At what rotational speed is this threshold crossed?

  • If not, then is the object to instead cool the parts with cold oil instead?
    • Does it occur to anyone that the oil may have to be so extremely cold for this effect that it would be too thick, cause resistance, and heat up the metal parts even more?
    • Could the contending temperatures cause any kind of brittleness in the parts?
  • How do you prevent the system from overfilling the snout if it's pumping the oil? Draining from the fill hole/midl level?
    • If not, is there a reason that overfilling the snout is no longer an issue?
  • If it's using the engine's oil, and people are already doing things like aluminum valve covers and aluminum oil pans and such to lower their potentially dangerous temperatures, would this therefore potentially harm the engine with over-hot oil?
    • There's not a whole lot of funk in the snout, but there's all sorts of dagnasty evil in my motor oil that I'm sure would gross-up the snout... right? I dunno, gummy-ness, seals, metals, coolant, gasoline, etc?
 
This snout cooler doesn't pump oil into the blower.

They created pockets on the outside of the blower snout by adding a couple of plates of metal on the outside of the snout so that you can run coolant through them.


I don't know why the mods have not said it yet but.....What is the point of coming over to this forum to argue about nonsense?

I think this thread should be locked until one of those guys has the snout in their hands or tested or both. Otherwise this thread has become as worthless as the product it is promoting.
 
Pure2sin said:
This snout cooler doesn't pump oil into the blower.

They created pockets on the outside of the blower snout by adding a couple of plates of metal on the outside of the snout so that you can run coolant through them.


I don't know why the mods have not said it yet but.....What is the point of coming over to this forum to argue about nonsense?

I think this thread should be locked until one of those guys has the snout in their hands or tested or both. Otherwise this thread has become as worthless as the product it is promoting.
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agreed, which is why i have just finished typing all this up

welcome Posi just as infite_one statement everyone has a chance to stand up for themselves. Now I am just going to
get straight to the point.

1. This was s simple question of who would be interested not a thread to trying to sell it just yet (as we have no
data to support of theory yet)

2. this thread should had been closed about 6 pages ago IMO this thread has just been over ran, has been going off topic
and seems to have a lot of bashing in it.

3. The fact that a 3 year old thread was brought up on John is just ridiculous, I find it crazy that online either
makes or breaks someone, you have a few bad things said about a company online and the next thing you know everyone
wants to say that it is a bad company. Who else on here is a company owner? any company owner can tell you that
there are some customers that you can not satisfy, but they way that Stig. was pretty much executed was just out of line.

4. John apologized for what he did, yet no one wants to let that go, once again no need to bring up old thread on other sites.

5. copgtp i really do not know you as a person, and i am not one to judge, but it does seem like a lot of your posts do seem to
be aimed towards negativity in this thread I have never gone and read others threads that you have posted in and I am just trying to
tell you member to member you need to chill out a little.

6. We have no proof on the GP of what temp drops are. Will we? yes When? do not know we should have a Gen III snout done shortly and testing
will be done on Alygto's car, and if that isn't good enough (because I feel like people will say something about false data or something) I will
ship one to 1 member and he can do the testing, and if that isn't third party enough then nothing will be.

7. Did Stig. steal the design? no Posi's original design was to tap into the cars oil system and just run motor oil threw the snout
now here are some key differences:

A. Posi's oil design was a simple drill and tap a inlet and outlet for oil to run threw the snout, Stigs. is a housing around the
snout it in no way enters the snout.

B. I could see why running your engine oil threw your blower would not really take off as there really is no reason to run your engine oil threw your
snout because you would not get any kind of cooling affect from that.

8. I think that this thread should be closed.

9. After all that I have read I have nothing else really to say.

10. Haters gonna Hate

enough said bash on me if you would like I really don't mind i have been on this site for some time a have a great
knowledge of the 3800, but that is never reconized which doesn't bother me. Actually I think that this site has really
gone down the drain. You use to be able to get on here and actually have a question answered, and some freindly
recommendations. Now the question does get following a debate on everrything, if you guys really want to debate something
then start a thread of the compound boost setup I am working on and then more haters can hate and tell me how I shouldn't
do it because it is a bad idea, the blower will restrict the turbo and a whold bunch of other stuff maybe we can make that into
a 20 page thread.
 
^My snout idea included intercooler fluid as well but it didn't get posted. I talked with a lot of people for their opinions and I never even felt it was worth mocking one up to keep the snout cool. There's nothing there other than keeping the snout itself cool. Which like someone said the Eaton's are not known to have premature failure at low mileage so why even do it? Someone else also said something about the bearings being in line or out of line when you weld on it. You cannot weld on aluminum and it NOT warp. It's impossible. So now how are the 2 bearings inside the snout still dead-nuts in line with each other? What if they are out putting stress on them and now they have a chance of failing a lot sooner?

Now let's look at the welding itself. I've had weld put on a few of my own ported Eaton's and 1 of them was done by the best welder I know of and I drove 3 hours for him to weld some plates onto the bottom for testing. His weld even cracked after only a few thousand miles. So is welding on the snout even going to last? Think about the small vibrations it's going to have every single time the car is running at idle or anytime in general. Vibrations that could take their toll on the weld just like the plates I had welded in by the BEST.

My answer to bringing up old threads is to me I had the right to. Why did John have a reason to attack me on this site? He didn't.

While I'm here though I'll add my opinion on things if I think I can help.
 


While I certainly appreciate the back and forth going on......I do feel this topic has gone too far to the left.

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about what has been done on the mp112, blah blah blah blah......while it does speak to this guys credibility, enough is enough, point made.

Let's get back to how the snake oil cooler will benefit this demographic, the m90 crowd.

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FoSHO99 said:
It doesn't, so that's why it keeps going off topic to a crowd that it may benefit.
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So then this thread should be closed, and it shall be forbidden to ever speak of these snake oil coolers again.

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maybe i dont want to close it. maybe i think it's finally getting somewhere to where we can talk about something, regardless if its about a blower we actually use or not. healthy debate makes the world go round.
 


This has been very interesting reading 11 pages are people trashing a product that they "think" they know all about how it works. The people bashing on how any type of Eaton blower works need to learn. Your talking trash on the shop that also happens to be Eaton Authorized. If you know anything about engines, you should know that anytime you can get something cooler the better. Why run an engine at 195* when I can run at 160* and keep all the seals cooler and prevent them from wearing out and leaking because of excessive heat. The Venom Cooler wasn't designed for maximum horsepower gains, it was to help cool a critical part of the blower. The fact is your spinning the M90 at over 20,000+ RPM and gears spinning create heat, so being able to cool such a critical component is a benefit. Sorry some of you have such small minds that you can't think of out of the box ways to improve a sweet engine setup.
 
04intimidatorSS said:
This has been very interesting reading 11 pages are people trashing a product that they "think" they know all about how it works. The people bashing on how any type of Eaton blower works need to learn. Your talking trash on the shop that also happens to be Eaton Authorized. If you know anything about engines, you should know that anytime you can get something cooler the better. Why run an engine at 195* when I can run at 160* and keep all the seals cooler and prevent them from wearing out and leaking because of excessive heat. The Venom Cooler wasn't designed for maximum horsepower gains, it was to help cool a critical part of the blower. The fact is your spinning the M90 at over 20,000+ RPM and gears spinning create heat, so being able to cool such a critical component is a benefit. Sorry some of you have such small minds that you can't think of out of the box ways to improve a sweet engine setup.
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Lol, no.
 
04intimidatorSS said:
This has been very interesting reading 11 pages are people trashing a product that they "think" they know all about how it works. The people bashing on how any type of Eaton blower works need to learn. Your talking trash on the shop that also happens to be Eaton Authorized. If you know anything about engines, you should know that anytime you can get something cooler the better. Why run an engine at 195* when I can run at 160* and keep all the seals cooler and prevent them from wearing out and leaking because of excessive heat. The Venom Cooler wasn't designed for maximum horsepower gains, it was to help cool a critical part of the blower. The fact is your spinning the M90 at over 20,000+ RPM and gears spinning create heat, so being able to cool such a critical component is a benefit. Sorry some of you have such small minds that you can't think of out of the box ways to improve a sweet engine setup.
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So there authorized what's that mean? Authorized to **** ya around? I know plenty of jank places that are "authorized".

With that being said, again this product does nothin to gain on an m90. For whatever reason all 4 of my m90s have a combined 500k miles and none of them have had any issues spinning hard. Just really confused on how this helps anything.

I got an idea! If steig believes in it so much why don't they offer it in a package for A free upgrade to the guys that buy a combo of steig gadgets? How much could it possibly be to add this to an already 1400$ port and polish job??


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