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so who here has beaten cobalts?



i actually got alot of respect for the TC cobalts but they arent that cheap, and if you plan on modding it anyways, might as well get something else. but thats just my opinion.
 
depends on what you mean by cheap really. a stock TC SS could be had between 14-17k, plus a $500 stage one upgrade, and you're below the price of a comparable Evo or subbie. only thing you're missing is the AWD
 
why do no one mention the gm factory upgrades for the sc slobolts? think the "stage 3" or whatever was 240hp...not to mention zzp's power upgrades for them are re re cheap. ill never forget the first time i watched an ion redline smoke a ws6....was def a "dafuq" moment. them little cars are no joke. and the good news is the sc ones are herra cheap cuz no one wants them anymore.
 
yeah they're good cars, my point was that neither cobalts or grand prix's are speed demons. they are good all round cars. if you just wanted to go fast for 14-17k might as well get an fbody for 8-9k and still have the remaining 6-8k for mods
 


Poil336 said:
260hp/260tq vs. 240hp/260tq, with a huge weight advantage to the cobalt... drive one, you won't call it a gay slowbalt again.
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I have never driven one but i do know how great those cobalts are, especially when modded. BUT there is difference with the two and this is just off the top of my head, The GP is bigger than the cobalt so i can fit people in there comfortably, luggage too. The grand prix IMO looks better than the Cobalt, the GP is more funer IMO because you pretty much got a 4k IL boat to drive and you would expect the light cobalt to haul ass and not the GP. THe GP has an AWESOME 3800 Engine it is pretty cheap to mod. There are so many other things that are great about the GP that i dont remember but ya i like the GP because its a Pontiac. Really the Cobalt and GP are pretty much similar in speed but bottom line i like the GP and i think other people do since people buy more GPs than the cobalts since i see lots of cobalts for sale and not much of the GPs online. The weight is the only thing that helps the Cobalt but when i look at a car i want something fast that can carry 4+ people in it and the GP is it that, and the G8, the G8 will kill the Cobalts.

So Pretty much the Slowbalts are great and all but i would still take the GP GTP over the Cobalt, fun to work on and to mod and fun to drive and my grocery getter can haul ass for what it is. Someone said most GP will get killed by the cobalt, maybe but i think more than half now a days can kill those cobalts with a good modded GTP with less cash used. Also why would i want to listen to a 4 banger car farting with turbo when i can hear the scream of a S/C from the GTP and low rumble of a muscle car. Lastly its just IMO GP>Cobalt

EDIT: Also forgot i respect those Slowbalts cause they are chevy, i just like pontiac more. I dont only look at a car thats fast, i look for a car thats fast from a BRAND that I LIKE.
 
SF9777 said:
I have never driven one but i do know how great those cobalts are, especially when modded. BUT there is difference with the two and this is just off the top of my head, The GP is bigger than the cobalt so i can fit people in there comfortably, luggage too. The grand prix IMO looks better than the Cobalt, the GP is more funer IMO because you pretty much got a 4k IL boat to drive and you would expect the light cobalt to haul ass and not the GP. THe GP has an AWESOME 3800 Engine it is pretty cheap to mod. There are so many other things that are great about the GP that i dont remember but ya i like the GP because its a Pontiac. Really the Cobalt and GP are pretty much similar in speed but bottom line i like the GP and i think other people do since people buy more GPs than the cobalts since i see lots of cobalts for sale and not much of the GPs online. The weight is the only thing that helps the Cobalt but when i look at a car i want something fast that can carry 4+ people in it and the GP is it that, and the G8, the G8 will kill the Cobalts.

So Pretty much the Slowbalts are great and all but i would still take the GP GTP over the Cobalt, fun to work on and to mod and fun to drive and my grocery getter can haul ass for what it is. Someone said most GP will get killed by the cobalt, maybe but i think more than half now a days can kill those cobalts with a good modded GTP with less cash used. Also why would i want to listen to a 4 banger car farting with turbo when i can hear the scream of a S/C from the GTP and low rumble of a muscle car. Lastly its just IMO GP>Cobalt

EDIT: Also forgot i respect those Slowbalts cause they are chevy, i just like pontiac more. I dont only look at a car thats fast, i look for a car thats fast from a BRAND that I LIKE.
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Did you really just say that a GTP is a low rumbling muscle car? Really?
 
there's just so many inaccuracies...
gtp's and tc balts arent' even close as far as acceleration, top speed, and handling.
the LNF engine is one of the more technilogically advanced engines ever put into a general motor's vehicle.
the G8 is irrelevant because the GT or the GXP is double the price of a cobalt ss, and i don't even care about the 3.6 because it'll just need timing chains every 20k miles.
have you seen the amount of lower-end cobalts in today's fleet of cars?
pontiac was just rebranded chevrolet's and holden's in the last few years of it's existence.
and i've said it earlier in this thread i believe, GM sent the SS models out more detuned than the GTP's were when they came out. the SS/SC stage three kit came with a tune that allowed for either a 50 or 100 shot of nitrous, i can't remember which. this was developed by General Motors, and covered under factory warranty.
and, just throwing this out here, you can't hear the exhaust over the turbo. hell, if you hear anything, it's the damn high pressure fuel pump.

but you got me on the four people part. can't say much there.

blakgtp said:
yeah they're good cars, my point was that neither cobalts or grand prix's are speed demons. they are good all round cars. if you just wanted to go fast for 14-17k might as well get an fbody for 8-9k and still have the remaining 6-8k for mods
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fair enough. i do miss my f-body every now and then. the balt also only had 37,xxx miles on it when i bought it, and got better gas mileage then anything else i was looking at. needed a daily, i already have something that's working on being a track car
 


Our cars are still faster then the TC slowbalt, turbo 6speed with no ts, and a car thats close to the same size. Now price is a different story and atfermarket is out of the question but stock for stock
 
dpzelenak said:
Our cars are still faster then the TC slowbalt, turbo 6speed with no ts, and a car thats close to the same size. Now price is a different story and atfermarket is out of the question but stock for stock
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Our cars?

GTP's faster than stock TC Cobalts?

U must be huffin.
 
no no no, not a gp
i only say our because i dont own one, just work on them
im talking about the cooper jcw with the n18 motor, basically a smaller 3series
 


yes.
i was thinking the same thing, until i started driving them. they suck they are god awful cars, overpriced and break down everyday, but as a driving car they handle great and weigh almost nothing
there go carts with a turbo
 
2975 vs. 2671...300lbs isn't really THAT much, especially when the balt has nearly 80 more CTQ and 60 CHP.
 
Poil336 said:
there's just so many inaccuracies...
gtp's and tc balts arent' even close as far as acceleration, top speed, and handling.
the LNF engine is one of the more technilogically advanced engines ever put into a general motor's vehicle.
the G8 is irrelevant because the GT or the GXP is double the price of a cobalt ss, and i don't even care about the 3.6 because it'll just need timing chains every 20k miles.
have you seen the amount of lower-end cobalts in today's fleet of cars?
pontiac was just rebranded chevrolet's and holden's in the last few years of it's existence.
and i've said it earlier in this thread i believe, GM sent the SS models out more detuned than the GTP's were when they came out. the SS/SC stage three kit came with a tune that allowed for either a 50 or 100 shot of nitrous, i can't remember which. this was developed by General Motors, and covered under factory warranty.
and, just throwing this out here, you can't hear the exhaust over the turbo. hell, if you hear anything, it's the damn high pressure fuel pump.

but you got me on the four people part. can't say much there.



fair enough. i do miss my f-body every now and then. the balt also only had 37,xxx miles on it when i bought it, and got better gas mileage then anything else i was looking at. needed a daily, i already have something that's working on being a track car
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I do like the older F-bodys, but my point is i want something that i can cary more than 4 people in and the pretty fast. i like the slowbalts but i choose a GTP over it any day, to me i say GPs OVERALL are better than the Cobalts, better engine, better looks, and better Aftermarket, and why would i want a small POS to drive, this is all IMO. Plus im talking about GPs in general, so isnt the GP GXP fast than the SS/TC Stock vs Stock?

And yes i said it the GP does have a low rumble muscle car sound in a 4 door body. Just saying GP>Cobalts
 
so you're telling me that a motor that started life as a V8 in the 1950's, a completely cast iron, OHV, 2 valve per cylinder, and is now discontinued is a "better" motor than an all aluminun, forged internal, DOHC, 4 valve, boosted 4 cylinder, complete with such modern ideas as cam phasing on both cams and spark-ignited direct injection, that also makes 20 more horsepower and gets better gas mileage? on what grounds?

all new engine, getrag built transmission, software advanced enough to phase cams quick enough to keep boost between shifts, runs faster around a road coarse than an Evo X... sure sounds like a piece of sh!t to me.
 
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