Harsh? My first post and I got shot down. Woulda been nice to hear something good, instead of getting flamed. I don't care too much for them either, but for crying out loud, my car isn't THAT bad. I used these because I have 3" stainless exhaust, and wanted all of it to be stainless, and couldn't afford the mufflers and tips that I wanted. Usually, cars like ours, I mean mine, are 'works in progress', and mufflers and tips are high on my 'get' list. My car isn't perfect, and has a way to go. I was a little proud to have come this far with it. The rest of it is no different than what most of you have done to yours, headers, high flow cats, K&N CAI, Xtreme Energy Cam and lifter set..... BTW, I'm in the 40-45 age group.