I've been out of the wbody for a while but cant recall if/when porting a gen 3 outlet if it generally increases boost at all? I had thought not, since it's merely to lower the amount of heat due to the sharp edges in the outlet. the story here is that im helping out a local member where when I tuned his car it was on a stock blower running 7-8psi. before I sold my gtp, I swapped blowers with his so he was able to get a ported gen 3 blower. I believe the inlet's also been opened up a bit. he's now reporting via ls1m scanner that it's running on average 9.5psi and max of 3* of KR with 1-2* constantly on stock pulley. he also has u-bend delete but I believe stock manifolds still. for the time being, he's running with the BBV unplugged so boost is cut at 3-4psi safely. thanks for reading.
ported gen 3 blower tend to increase boost?
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SaukRapids
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Call Bob or email. http://stiegemeier.com/
SaukRapids
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He'll know. It's a porting business for God's sake. Put 2 and 2 together.
SaukRapids
I can't car too good.
Quoted from Stiegemeier, from this link - 5th post down after asking Google - https://www.svtperformance.com/forums/threads/will-porting-the-blower-lower-boost-levels.660904/
"I can say for sure that different porting designs will effect boost levels. There are obvious reasons that certain designs lose boost as mentioned above. When making a decision on modifying your supercharger do your homework and call around - ask questions on how they develop thier product and if they will stand behind thier claims. Don't settle for less, go with the originator, 3000+ customers can't be wrong. Visit our website for customer testimonials and real data, from informative flow figures and dyno graphs and unbeatable HP per dollar pricing. Our Snake Bite supercharger upgrade can deliver 500 RWHP and 530 RWTQ at 16deg timing with no added fuel mods, no lower pulley, no idler setup, nothing else to buy. Give us a call for more details on this and other products and innovations from Stiegemeier Porting Service."
"I can say for sure that different porting designs will effect boost levels. There are obvious reasons that certain designs lose boost as mentioned above. When making a decision on modifying your supercharger do your homework and call around - ask questions on how they develop thier product and if they will stand behind thier claims. Don't settle for less, go with the originator, 3000+ customers can't be wrong. Visit our website for customer testimonials and real data, from informative flow figures and dyno graphs and unbeatable HP per dollar pricing. Our Snake Bite supercharger upgrade can deliver 500 RWHP and 530 RWTQ at 16deg timing with no added fuel mods, no lower pulley, no idler setup, nothing else to buy. Give us a call for more details on this and other products and innovations from Stiegemeier Porting Service."
SaukRapids
I can't car too good.
Well, that isn't what you asked and I'd expect Stiegemeier to have some experience porting an M90.
However, there was a Stiegemeier ported Gen III in FS that sold quick last season. Never was a report back from it's new owner.
Edit: Oh, here it is. It's a Gen V and not clear if it ever did sell. - http://www.grandprixforums.net/thre...-Buy-it-all-Pics-inside?highlight=stiegemeier
However, there was a Stiegemeier ported Gen III in FS that sold quick last season. Never was a report back from it's new owner.
Edit: Oh, here it is. It's a Gen V and not clear if it ever did sell. - http://www.grandprixforums.net/thre...-Buy-it-all-Pics-inside?highlight=stiegemeier
SaukRapids
I can't car too good.
Found this a couple hours ago. Had trouble linking to the specific page after I got back, used fb for the text.
Hopefully, this is more helpful. This is reference to a GenIII, not Gen V. (sorry it's a wall of text)
"Ok, Well I've been doing some searching around for answers to see if i should do this, and for the most part, the average lightly modded engine will see no big gains from doing this kind of work. However, a gain is a gain, just dont expect any night and day differences here.
A few other things i happen to know about this charger; Shaving down Rotor Wall is not recommended, AT ALL. The tolerance built into the m90 is exact and to open it up would only allow the air somewhere else to go rather than being compressed by the rotors. Do not do this. You'll lose boost or efficiency, or both in the long run.
Reffering to Harps500's "After" picture of the triangle portion of the outlet, where he removed the two humps, the two slits on the left and right side of the triangle's are silencer ports. (the pic no longer exists) They are there to bleed off some airflow and cause reversion which is what the Eaton engineers use to help reduce noise. You can fill them in and smooth them out and the blower will whine louder...It's also argued that it further smoothes out the flow and will yield marginal gains because the reversion is not only turbulant, but reheated as well, two power no-no's.
Be very careful on how you accomplish this as warping the M90's alloy case is easy to do if not allowed to cool completely between welds. A High Quality epoxy can be effective.
[irrelevant]
Thrasher's stance on this subject can be found here; (Cannot find Thrasher Performance)
L67 Supercharger Teardown - Thrasher Engineered Performance 3800 & 3800SC Pontiac Grand Prix GTP & Buick Regal GS
Also, Stiegemeier has made quite a name for themselves doing this kind of work on the Mustangs however they specialize in Eaton blowers. I hit them up and they do a full porting service and offer a 1yr gaurentee on their work. They were about $400 on a 1 week turnaround. They could do a show quality finish as well for more, although i dont remember what that price was...
You can find them at Stiegemeier Porting Services, LLC - (link in post above)
A guy that I work with has used them on his 600hp Cobra and says these guys are the real deal.
If you're going to do anything to these things, I would put an intercooler on your short list of mods. It will only enhance EVERY other mod you do in the future and free up tons of power. Of course this is a porting thread, not an upgrade, but food for thought nontheless.
Knowing i will only see minimal gains, My plans are at this point to do it anyway, just because I have access to a lathe and will only be out the cost of a few gaskets"
That answered alotta my own questions. If all you want to do is dial out that KR, there's probably cheaper/better ways.
Hopefully, this is more helpful. This is reference to a GenIII, not Gen V. (sorry it's a wall of text)
"Ok, Well I've been doing some searching around for answers to see if i should do this, and for the most part, the average lightly modded engine will see no big gains from doing this kind of work. However, a gain is a gain, just dont expect any night and day differences here.
A few other things i happen to know about this charger; Shaving down Rotor Wall is not recommended, AT ALL. The tolerance built into the m90 is exact and to open it up would only allow the air somewhere else to go rather than being compressed by the rotors. Do not do this. You'll lose boost or efficiency, or both in the long run.
Reffering to Harps500's "After" picture of the triangle portion of the outlet, where he removed the two humps, the two slits on the left and right side of the triangle's are silencer ports. (the pic no longer exists) They are there to bleed off some airflow and cause reversion which is what the Eaton engineers use to help reduce noise. You can fill them in and smooth them out and the blower will whine louder...It's also argued that it further smoothes out the flow and will yield marginal gains because the reversion is not only turbulant, but reheated as well, two power no-no's.
Be very careful on how you accomplish this as warping the M90's alloy case is easy to do if not allowed to cool completely between welds. A High Quality epoxy can be effective.
[irrelevant]
Thrasher's stance on this subject can be found here; (Cannot find Thrasher Performance)
L67 Supercharger Teardown - Thrasher Engineered Performance 3800 & 3800SC Pontiac Grand Prix GTP & Buick Regal GS
Also, Stiegemeier has made quite a name for themselves doing this kind of work on the Mustangs however they specialize in Eaton blowers. I hit them up and they do a full porting service and offer a 1yr gaurentee on their work. They were about $400 on a 1 week turnaround. They could do a show quality finish as well for more, although i dont remember what that price was...
You can find them at Stiegemeier Porting Services, LLC - (link in post above)
A guy that I work with has used them on his 600hp Cobra and says these guys are the real deal.
If you're going to do anything to these things, I would put an intercooler on your short list of mods. It will only enhance EVERY other mod you do in the future and free up tons of power. Of course this is a porting thread, not an upgrade, but food for thought nontheless.
Knowing i will only see minimal gains, My plans are at this point to do it anyway, just because I have access to a lathe and will only be out the cost of a few gaskets"
That answered alotta my own questions. If all you want to do is dial out that KR, there's probably cheaper/better ways.
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coolone
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Funny thing is that there's really nothing NEW to find on this platform. If your looking for that long lost Unicorn that nobody has found forget it. The real problem is that web sites, forums and whatnot that HAD the information as slowly dying off...
The M90 is terribly inefficient and when you consider dropping pulleys, exceeding the spec design, you really have a lot of loss from heat and rotation drag, etc. is why KNock is a killer. You will increase volumetric efficiency by porting, smooting the flow, but this must be coupled with ported TB or a N*, and imo manifold and even heads to reap full benefits of porting the blower.
and you will be at a disadvantage as well to not know the success and failures in the past of experimentation with the M90, there were major threads about both Trasher and Steigemeier. Bottom line is that it is best to just get a GenV if you want better efficiency! If you want max boost, you'll have to make some major changes and put an Whipple on there ; )
The M90 is terribly inefficient and when you consider dropping pulleys, exceeding the spec design, you really have a lot of loss from heat and rotation drag, etc. is why KNock is a killer. You will increase volumetric efficiency by porting, smooting the flow, but this must be coupled with ported TB or a N*, and imo manifold and even heads to reap full benefits of porting the blower.
and you will be at a disadvantage as well to not know the success and failures in the past of experimentation with the M90, there were major threads about both Trasher and Steigemeier. Bottom line is that it is best to just get a GenV if you want better efficiency! If you want max boost, you'll have to make some major changes and put an Whipple on there ; )
SaukRapids
I can't car too good.
Thanks for bringing it up. I read a whole bunch yesterday with new ideas.
Good luck knocking out that bit of ..well, knock I guess. Lol
Good luck knocking out that bit of ..well, knock I guess. Lol
mguzzo
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I dont think porting on a stock setup will change a thing. You may increase flow a little bit, but early ZZP research on their SC dyno showed that even a stock setup suffered from a vacuum deficiency due to a restrictive TB design. That is, you could improve the flow but the stock TB is unable to flow enough air to keep up. Drop a pulley, free up the exhaust, install an intercooler and a ported TB or N* and then you could look at porting the SC outlet and smoothing the hump out of the inlet.