• The site migration is complete! Hopefully everything transferred properly from the multiple decades old software we were using before. If you notice any issues please let me know, thanks! Also, I'm still working on things like chatbox, etc so hopefully those will be working in the next week or two.

Just spent 1700 dollars!



99PontiacGTP said:
ehhhh.... those might be high flow intake systems, but they are not CAI. CAI=Cold Air Intake. See what ya'all is doin, is pullin warm air from inside your engin bay(right next to your hot-as-heck cross over pipe) and callin it a CAI. Less you got some kinda insulation round it, or your filter stickin all the way in your fender well, you gots a high flow hot air intake.
Click to expand...

A good portion of the people on GPF know the difference between CAI and HAI. I personally prefer my cheap HAI. It has a hell of a whine.
 
99PontiacGTP said:
ehhhh.... those might be high flow intake systems, but they are not CAI. CAI=Cold Air Intake. See what ya'all is doin, is pullin warm air from inside your engin bay(right next to your hot-as-heck cross over pipe) and callin it a CAI. Less you got some kinda insulation round it, or your filter stickin all the way in your fender well, you gots a high flow hot air intake.
Click to expand...

With the crossover right there and how hot the plenum gets, along with the hot hot engine bay air you're talking about heating the entire tube that goes from filter to tb ... even if you're pulling "cold" air from the fender well (cold being 50-80 degrees most of the year in most of the US and Canada), how "cold" do you think it stays by the time it passes through the hot tubing, hot tb, hot plenum, and hot intake manifold to really make a $260 difference?

And that's NA, we're not even taking into account the Heaton m90

It's just not worth the miniscule difference (if there is any) that you spend that extra 260 dollars for, unless you want to spend 50 dollars for the filter and tubing, then 260 to have a K&N sticker on your intake tube... in that case I have a few other stickers layin around I could sell you :p
 
Watch your IAT temps with a HAI on a scanner or something. As soon as you accelerate, the temps instantly drop back to ambient. Unless you want more horsepower while sitting still, there is no need for a CAI.
 
I only did my intake for the looks and to hear the engine more :-)
18da4f30-a4a7-e2b1.jpg


Sent from my Droid Razr using Xparent Red Tapatalk 2
 


I actually have my intake pulling air from under the engine through a series of pvc pipes. I call it a cold mud intake. In theory it should pull in medium air, not too hot, but cozy enough to wear a snuggy in. I'll get it dyno'd once i figure out why my car hasn't starting since the install.
 
CDooley said:
I actually have my intake pulling air from under the engine through a series of pvc pipes. I call it a cold mud intake. In theory it should pull in medium air, not too hot, but cozy enough to wear a snuggy in. I'll get it dyno'd once i figure out why my car hasn't starting since the install.
Click to expand...

More bends = more restriction.
 


szalajka05 said:
Proven its better on a dyno with a open hood, what happens when tort on the road with a closed hood sucking in 150° air?
Click to expand...

Read the whole thread. As soon as you start rolling, exterior air floods the engine compartment and it's the same temp inside as out. I tested it myself some summers ago. It would heat soak at a red light, and just as soon as I got around 10mph, the intake temps would drop to ambient. If you're hitting the accelerator, you're not sitting still.
 


In all seriousness the CAI are better than the HAI, end of story. The price just doesn't justify the gains. If you have the money to blow on a CAI then go for it and slap it on there, if not then go the HAI. People will whine and try to justify their cheap intakes, as seen in previous posts, but the CAI is best for the car no matter what they say. It is just way to expensive for the SLIGHT benefits you see from them. IMO the best route to go is to get ceramic coated headers(mainly the crossover pipe) and a CAI. That and add a throttle body heat shield and you have the best possible intake for these cars. But the money you spend on that setup versus an open cone slapped straight on the throttle body is way to much for a small gain And the thread they are all referring to is BS in my opinion. It's just another broke redneck trying to "justify" his cheap intake versus actual intakes that are designed for performance. These are cheap vehicles so expect cheap mods to be the winner on the forum. But overall 1700 is way too much for the things you purchased. Should have gone intercooled. Oh and sorry if none of that made sense, I'm drunk :th_toothless:
 
I dont like cheap crap on and in my car. A open cone simply won't do if you care about your car. Next I'm doing intercooler and internals with acam (just have to find a nice one) full exhaust and rims
 
Your choice I guess and your money.

But whatever you do, dont touch the bottem end. Add a cam and chain with springs, but never mess with the crank/pistons etc etc.
 
szalajka05 said:
I dont like cheap crap on and in my car. A open cone simply won't do if you care about your car. Next I'm doing intercooler and internals with acam (just have to find a nice one) full exhaust and rims
Click to expand...

I really disagree with this... an intake's job is to take in air that's been cleaned and measured, that's all. We've established that intake temps dont hold a huge amount of difference, and even if the air at the filter is cooler, by the time it reaches the cylinders it's crazy heated anyway. IAT sensors are only seeing a difference at idle, once you reach about 10-15 mph, outside air floods the engine bay and you're back to ambient at the IAT.

As for spending retarded amounts of money on a tube with a fancy label on it to show you care about your car... I really care deeply about my car and it's performance, I look forward to driving my car every day so if it runs like crap, part of my day is ruined. Just because I see a way to save a huge amount of money to build something myself that does the same job is not only reasonable but expected. It not only does the same thing for a fraction of the price, but it's also reliable, and when I look at my car and all the differences from stock, I can feel some level of pride in the fact that I got my hands dirty and built part of my modifications. Please dont say an open cone shows you dont care about your car.

There's a big difference between cheap crap and thinking smart. Miniscule performance gains aside, $300 for a tube and a filter is 100% insane imo, especially when it can be put somewhere else with a much bigger hp:dollar ratio

It's just another broke redneck trying to "justify" his cheap intake versus actual intakes that are designed for performance.
Click to expand...

Broke redneck? Please, how about a regular guy trying to make his dollar matter, instead of throwing away $300 for something I can use a little thought on and make myself for $30. You said yourself they're too expensive to justify the microscopic gains, but then you say us broke rednecks are just struggling to justify our cheap intakes?

I dont know but when these ebay posts come up about electric powered superchargers, $50 for 50hp, whatever... people laugh them off the board, but then we get K&N and Spectre that tell us a tube and magic filter will make a car into a race car for only $300 dollars, and ONLY tube that says K&N on it will work and people get in line.

Like ffdp said, your wallet, your preferences, but I dont get why some people become so aggressive over this issue. It's just that in most minds, if you can get something that is 99% the same and does 99% the same job, for 260 dollars cheaper... that's a reasonable option to consider, not something to LOL at. Customers at my job would thank me for showing them that option, not get angry and flame me, lol.

Building something that works with your own 2 hands makes you a broke redneck? Even if it's built well?
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top