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I lost to a civic



nawarkk said:
I'm basically saying that Civic's are gay. I do like fast cars but having a powerful motor in something as unattractive as a Civic is stupid to me.
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The coolest Civic I ever saw was in Car Craft under Readers Rides, dude had a totally stock motor up front and shoehorned an Oldsmobile 455 and transaxle from a Toronado in the back. He said it was an all wheel drive 500 hp civic. I'd rather have that.
 
alkygto said:
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The coolest Civic I ever saw was in Car Craft under Readers Rides, dude had a totally stock motor up front and shoehorned an Oldsmobile 455 and transaxle from a Toronado in the back. He said it was an all wheel drive 500 hp civic. I'd rather have that.
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Ever heard of this little thing?

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Dude do it from a dig you will like the out come alot better than that damn 60 roll. Our cars aren't good on rolls that high anyways. Trust me I know civics, and I'm starting to know a little bit about grand prixs. It will be a way better race.
 


99prixgt said:
i completely agree the intense tune is holding me back a bit, i told him to make it conservative, and well he did, just so i can drive it everyday, Dave @ triple edge told me timing was set real low, and i have some room. I have a 3.6" zzp mps, just sitting in the box. The car does get some knock 1.4* was the most, in this cold weather. I don't know a whole lot about tuning, ive been wondering if it can be tuned out so i can run my 3.6?

lol yeah auto takes a sec to go from 4th to 2nd, we did about 6 runs, on one of them i hit it right before, so we got going at the same time, i did a little better, but he kept walking regardless
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if your only getting 1.5 deg of knock on a cold night from a caned tune then there is probably alot left in it. im sure fueling and timing could be tweeked some to get a bit more power.

if you are going to get it dyno tuned or custom tuned i would throw the 3.6 on there and let them tune it in for that. if they cant get some decent timing out of it just put the 3.8 back on.

thats the way i would get pullies tho, by the .2 .3 is a little large of a jump and .1 is not that much of a difference.
 
Blue, yes I was kidding for the most part.... I do think if they are both stock that the gxp's are a bit faster exspecially at that speed, I've raced my buddy many times when he had his 00 gtp and it was never that close at those speeds for me, who knows maybe it was just his car tho.
 
baby steeps grass hopper bio.

i can bearly get away with the 3.5 on my lower compression set up. us having the same mods with his higher compression, i think the 3.4 will have to wait. unless you just want to run really low timing.
 
ls6velless454 said:
That car at the most weighs 2600lbs. Not anything more, no ****ing way it's close to the 3s sorry, and a GXP would also get waxed by this car. GXPs do what in the quarter stock low 14's this is at least a mid 13 sec car. No chance.
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HA not that light... not on the older models... the new ones are small and light yes prolly 2600 curb... but thats with nothing in it. My friends was a late 90s early 2000s SI with a full show sound system and trust it was heavier than 2600lbs

My 01 miata is ALOT smaller than a civic... and weight 2640 dry... the NEW new SIs are about that size.. the older ones are bigger, bulkier, and still cast iron blocks not all aluminum... pushing 2800-2900 and with a system and the driver... push 3200
 


99prixgt said:
whoa, how am i going to get away with those?

do i want more timing? or more boost?

i thought low boost and more timing wins
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yes and no. i liked my car to have low timing and high boost because of how it ran. both are very competitive up to a point where the parasitic loss of the blower overcomes the extra power the boost will make. timing is basically "free" power, so it is better go to that way. however, how much boost are you running right now? these cars tend to run very well in the 12 psi range with timing to complement it.

you have enough mods to run the 3.4 with low timing, or a 3.6 with higher timing. its really a trade off that youll have to make for yourself. my car felt like a monster in mid range because i was still pushing 24* of timing, but once i went WOT and it dropped down to 14* then it didnt feel as fast (this was on the 3.2 pulley making about 12 psi). more timing will make the quick, neck snapping car we all like. more boost will make the car more fluid and seem to fall on its face even when its not.
 
If you are intercooled, have headers and rockers there is no reason you shouldnt run a 3.0. Just need some injectors and a tune.
 
add timing feels great. added boost felt pretty good too, more lowend torque, but it also screams up top too.

personaly i would not want to run lots of boost with low timing. but i would also not want to run lots of timing with low boost. i kinda like an even trade off.

im sure both set ups could come out to the same power wise tuned properly. it would more mainly be down to you, which on feels better to you.
 


TLSheff said:
*sniff* *sniff*

i smell ... sarcasm? :th_laugh-lol2:
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^Just to be clear, i wasn't being sarcastic lol

Bio248 said:
yes and no. i liked my car to have low timing and high boost because of how it ran. both are very competitive up to a point where the parasitic loss of the blower overcomes the extra power the boost will make. timing is basically "free" power, so it is better go to that way. however, how much boost are you running right now? these cars tend to run very well in the 12 psi range with timing to complement it.

you have enough mods to run the 3.4 with low timing, or a 3.6 with higher timing. its really a trade off that youll have to make for yourself. my car felt like a monster in mid range because i was still pushing 24* of timing, but once i went WOT and it dropped down to 14* then it didnt feel as fast (this was on the 3.2 pulley making about 12 psi). more timing will make the quick, neck snapping car we all like. more boost will make the car more fluid and seem to fall on its face even when its not.
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good info there^^. Right now im on 5psi, im unsure of what timing is, since i don't have any tuning software, when dave went through my pcm, he said it was real low. 12psi range? with the timing to complement it? I would guess with the 3.6" i would have around 6-9 psi? would 12psi be safe for my L36 bottom end?

I'll have to get a few more pulleys to bring with me when i go to tunetime and get dyno tuned, id like to hold off on the i/c until late summer time when work picks up.

So what im getting is, timing and boost kind of go hand in hand?
 
i would go for timing. a supercharger spining hard in the uper rpms with added boost will put out alot of heat. you could make the same power with less heat.
 
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