we have a 2005 grand prix that has been sitting in the garage for 2 years - we are trying to move it out and we continue to get "starting disabled due to electronic throttle control". codes displayed were PO601 and PO606 - how can we get it started so that we can get it moved...any help would be very appreciated.:th_scratchhead::th_angry-teeth::th_shakinghead1:
help - frustration level rising!
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Fivefingerdeathpunch
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Try unplugging the throttle body and make sure no corrosion is on the pins/connector. Plug it back in and clear the codes.
Scottydoggs
Killa Bee
http://www.obd-codes.com/p0606 http://www.obd-codes.com/p0601 both codes point to the pcm. if its been sitting look for a mouse nest and chewed up wires. open the air box where the filter is, thats where the pcm is. little f ers love to live in there.
Fivefingerdeathpunch
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You can always just toss it in neutral too and push it where needed or on to the trailer.
But it seems that somehow the computer going to be the issue and need fixing/replacement.
But it seems that somehow the computer going to be the issue and need fixing/replacement.
Fivefingerdeathpunch
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Without the motor running and even if you bypass the power steering it will alway be manual steering and difficult.
Use your popeye arms and you'll be fine.
Just get the front tires on rollers and you can move pretty easy.
Use your popeye arms and you'll be fine.
Just get the front tires on rollers and you can move pretty easy.
Scottydoggs
Killa Bee
when the car is rolling, aka while being pushed the wheels will turn a bit easier vs parked.
HighOctaneRacing
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I'm thinking there's a gas or carbon isssue
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EHB
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the poster did fail to say if he put fresh gas in or is trying to start it with 2 year old gas.
I'm kinda debunking this "bad gas" stuff left and right. My lawnmower sat in our garage for the last 3 years since we had a service handling it. Two weeks ago I went out and pressed the bulb 3 times and it started on the first pull to my amazement. I also have a generator that I shut the gas valve off and ran it out after we recovered power from Hurricane Ike and flipped the lever to allow gas into the carb and it fired up after 3 pulls and ran without any issues and that is 7 year old gas! My neighbor asked if I would help get her lawnmower going since she hasn't used it in almost 2 years and I opened the tank and is smelled good so I just pushed the button 3 times and it fired up on the first pull. Her problem was she was pressing the priming bulb "like 20 times". My 95' Taurus has been sitting for a few years and is nearly out of gas but after hooking up a good battery and smacking the starter while the wife cranked on it it ran just fine. That car was parked before the tags and inspection expired and that was in 2013.
Granted adding "good gas" isn't going to hurt this seems to be a regional thing or I am just lucky, which we can all probably agree that isn't the case.
Jeff
Granted adding "good gas" isn't going to hurt this seems to be a regional thing or I am just lucky, which we can all probably agree that isn't the case.
Jeff
EHB
New member
Does gasoline really go "bad" if you leave it unused for a period of time? Some people are convinced this is just another urban legend, and that people who worry about "old gas" and spend money on fuel stabilizer are wasting psychic energy as well as cash.
But in fact, gasoline can degrade over time. That can lead to a number of problems, ranging from hard starting, to rough running, to no starting at all.
Here's Why
Unlike crude oil, gasoline is a highly refined product brewed to a certain chemical composition with very specific characteristics. One characteristic of gas is volatility, a term used to describe how easily and under what conditions the gas vaporizes so it can be efficiently burned in your car's engine.
The most highly volatile components in gasoline also tend to evaporate over time. As they do, the remaining fuel's volatility and ability to combust properly degrades. The less volatile the fuel, the less effectively it burns in your engine. The result is diminished engine performance. Your engine may still start and run, but it probably won't run as well.
The good news is, once the old gas has been consumed and the tank is topped off with fresh fuel, the problem should cure itself. Evaporation of volatile compounds can be limited by making sure the gas cap is secured tightly. For the same reason, be sure all portable gas containers are sealed tightly as well.
A More Serious Problem: Oxidation
Hydrocarbons in the gas react with oxygen to produce new compounds that eventually change the chemical composition of the fuel. This leads to gum and varnish deposits in the fuel system.
These deposits and impurities can clog up gas lines and filters, as well the small orifices in a carburetor and the even smaller orifices in a fuel injector. Removing these deposits can be expensive and your vehicle may not run at all or run very poorly until they are removed.
Water Contamination
Condensation can form inside your gas tank and lines from heat cycling. Fuels such as E85, which have a high concentration of ethanol alcohol, may be even more susceptible to water contamination, as ethanol likes to draw moisture out of the surrounding air.
Water contamination can be a problem at gas stations with light traffic due to a slightly different kind of heat cycling. The underground storage tanks experience increases and decreases in temperature. This can cause moisture to form and contaminate the fuel. When you fill up at such a station, you're pumping in the water along with the gas. Such low-traffic stations may also have other contaminants in their underground storage tanks, such as rust. They are best avoided when possible.
Water, of course, does not work too well as a fuel in an internal combustion engine.
It will cause hard starting and rough running until it's purged from the system. It can also contribute to internal rusting of the gas lines and tank. The resultant scale and small particles can create a true nightmare, sometimes requiring the replacement of the gas lines and tank at considerable expense.
You can reduce the chances of water contamination by keeping your car's gas tank as close to full as possible, especially if the vehicle is going to be left idle for an extended period.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/31/does-gas-go-bad/
But in fact, gasoline can degrade over time. That can lead to a number of problems, ranging from hard starting, to rough running, to no starting at all.
Here's Why
Unlike crude oil, gasoline is a highly refined product brewed to a certain chemical composition with very specific characteristics. One characteristic of gas is volatility, a term used to describe how easily and under what conditions the gas vaporizes so it can be efficiently burned in your car's engine.
The most highly volatile components in gasoline also tend to evaporate over time. As they do, the remaining fuel's volatility and ability to combust properly degrades. The less volatile the fuel, the less effectively it burns in your engine. The result is diminished engine performance. Your engine may still start and run, but it probably won't run as well.
The good news is, once the old gas has been consumed and the tank is topped off with fresh fuel, the problem should cure itself. Evaporation of volatile compounds can be limited by making sure the gas cap is secured tightly. For the same reason, be sure all portable gas containers are sealed tightly as well.
A More Serious Problem: Oxidation
Hydrocarbons in the gas react with oxygen to produce new compounds that eventually change the chemical composition of the fuel. This leads to gum and varnish deposits in the fuel system.
These deposits and impurities can clog up gas lines and filters, as well the small orifices in a carburetor and the even smaller orifices in a fuel injector. Removing these deposits can be expensive and your vehicle may not run at all or run very poorly until they are removed.
Water Contamination
Condensation can form inside your gas tank and lines from heat cycling. Fuels such as E85, which have a high concentration of ethanol alcohol, may be even more susceptible to water contamination, as ethanol likes to draw moisture out of the surrounding air.
Water contamination can be a problem at gas stations with light traffic due to a slightly different kind of heat cycling. The underground storage tanks experience increases and decreases in temperature. This can cause moisture to form and contaminate the fuel. When you fill up at such a station, you're pumping in the water along with the gas. Such low-traffic stations may also have other contaminants in their underground storage tanks, such as rust. They are best avoided when possible.
Water, of course, does not work too well as a fuel in an internal combustion engine.
It will cause hard starting and rough running until it's purged from the system. It can also contribute to internal rusting of the gas lines and tank. The resultant scale and small particles can create a true nightmare, sometimes requiring the replacement of the gas lines and tank at considerable expense.
You can reduce the chances of water contamination by keeping your car's gas tank as close to full as possible, especially if the vehicle is going to be left idle for an extended period.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/31/does-gas-go-bad/
CrazyGuy03
Active member
We should start a gas thread
I never had an issue with using old gas UNTIL I owned motorcycles with carbs. The first start each season would be rough and the jets act up until it ran for about 10-15 minutes. But the gas in the tank was still good to go afterwards. In that case I usee stabl and the carbs don't act funny each spring.
Carry on
I never had an issue with using old gas UNTIL I owned motorcycles with carbs. The first start each season would be rough and the jets act up until it ran for about 10-15 minutes. But the gas in the tank was still good to go afterwards. In that case I usee stabl and the carbs don't act funny each spring.
Carry on
EHB,
I have read that article as well ant I thought like that too, but just here in the last few weeks I have had 7 year old gas start up in a generator that I ran the carb out of gas as it has a fuel bowl. My lawnmower with 3 year old gas start right up and it has a Tecumseh engine with a bowl and no shut off. My neighbors 2 year old gas lawnmower start right up and a fuel injected car that has been sitting nearly empty for 2 years start up with no issues. I know gas can go bad as you can definitely tell by the smell. I have always been a carburetor guy and have cleaned more than my fair share of carburetors with gas that has evaporated from them and left sitting for years and cleaned the varnish out of them with carb dip and rebuilt them. But it doesn't get around the fact that even though I was dead to rights expecting to have to do something to all of the above engines they all ran. I am from Southeast Texas and we have some of the highest humidity this side of the Amazon Jungle, right now it's only about 49% so the humidity is pretty low, but we have most of the time levels in the 80-90% range when it's not raining. I have never really had an issue with bad gas unless I have left the cap off for extended amounts of time. The gas in my gas can is over a year old and I used it to finish mowing the yard last week. I am not saying it can't happen, because it does happen but either I take more precautions than others or am stupid lucky.
I would still like to see if the OP can move his throttle body blade. As it is the IAC on 04+ cars.
Jeff
I have read that article as well ant I thought like that too, but just here in the last few weeks I have had 7 year old gas start up in a generator that I ran the carb out of gas as it has a fuel bowl. My lawnmower with 3 year old gas start right up and it has a Tecumseh engine with a bowl and no shut off. My neighbors 2 year old gas lawnmower start right up and a fuel injected car that has been sitting nearly empty for 2 years start up with no issues. I know gas can go bad as you can definitely tell by the smell. I have always been a carburetor guy and have cleaned more than my fair share of carburetors with gas that has evaporated from them and left sitting for years and cleaned the varnish out of them with carb dip and rebuilt them. But it doesn't get around the fact that even though I was dead to rights expecting to have to do something to all of the above engines they all ran. I am from Southeast Texas and we have some of the highest humidity this side of the Amazon Jungle, right now it's only about 49% so the humidity is pretty low, but we have most of the time levels in the 80-90% range when it's not raining. I have never really had an issue with bad gas unless I have left the cap off for extended amounts of time. The gas in my gas can is over a year old and I used it to finish mowing the yard last week. I am not saying it can't happen, because it does happen but either I take more precautions than others or am stupid lucky.
I would still like to see if the OP can move his throttle body blade. As it is the IAC on 04+ cars.
Jeff
ericspecullaas
New member
i think your stupid lucky man