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Egt gauge question

gambler87

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So I'm going to buy an egt gauge, I found one that is an open style probe for fast response and I'm planning on putting it on the #4 cyl (from looking around the forum that is the one the tends to run lean)

My question is I can't find any info to tell me what heat range I need for a gauge for a gas supercharged engine. I've seen gauges that are from 1000°f max to 2400°f max.

Does anyone know what our operating range is for egt?

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cause they are for turbos. it goes in the exhaust. its to let you know if your going to have a melt down. dont need on on a sc.
 
I know it goes in the exhaust and I understand that using it in conjunction with a wide band u can keeping leaning out the afr until u reach an afr that is close but not over melt down point. So using one on any motor will allow us to find out what afr that exact engine likes to run at for afr under boost.

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never heard of anyone doing that here.....good luck with it.


oh, pistons chip before they melt here lol and the egt is for the turbo, not your pistons. you dont want to melt the turbo

you know how a turbo works right?
 
I have dual aeroforces for fuel pressure oil pressure, ignition timing and kr. I have aftermarket sending units for the fuel and oil pressures as the stock engine doesn't allow the aeroforce to actually meter the pressures.

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Egt are used on race boats that have no turbos, airplanes that are NA and road race motors across the country. Most of then aren't turbo. I know how a turbo functions and I know that having an egt gauge for a turbo would be beneficial but that's not the only thing they are for. I also understand pistons chip that is why I went forged pistons on my build.

After talking to multiple people about water meth injection, which I have on my car, people deviate from the 11.5 afr under boost, so I asked what would be an acceptable afr to under, everyone states use an egt gauge and a wide band and run as lean as u can without dropping off torque or melting ****. I said ok.

I'm just looking for what reasonable range for a gauge would be that is all I asked

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Seems like there's not general answer, even combing over the LS1 crowd. I've seen anywhere from 1300-1750....but that's on 2 more cylinders.
Might have to just use a base line on what your engine is at at your actual AFR, because I don't think that you are gonna get the answer you're looking for on here unfortunately.
 
Over 1000º for sure.

Lower timing means higher EGT's, he could use it to see how it effect the heat in the cylinders. And either cylinder 3 or 4 will get the hottest, just being that they are the middle cylinders.
 


Well, in the diesel world, it's almost regarded as important as an O2 sensor, because...well that's what they're there for. They usually call them a Thermocoupler, or pyrometer. Since they normally do a lot of towing, and when you put a tuner on them they'll run hot. Helps you to know when to back off. Tuning one of those rattle boxes is a little different than a gas engine. We've toyed around with the idea of putting on in our build, but that's a little ways down the road.
 
always had one in the roll off trucks. was told to back off if it went to a 1000. with a load up a hill. it would climb fast too.

most of the roll off trucks i drove were tuned as well, in one way or another.
 
the reason there's such a variance is because each engine combustion characteristics is different, no two are exactly alike, but also far more to the point the EGT gauge is akin to building a new house with a 3 foot piece of conduit as your only measuring device.

the egt probe only tells you a small amount of data, the temp of the exhaust. primarily this data, accumulated OVER TIME, tells you when your going to hurt exhaust valves or turbines/manifolds, preventative maint schedule (replace valves after 6 runs, etc), etc....

your using it as a diagnostic tool to prevent failure. since a 1/2mile run at 1300* can be just as harmfull to the engine components as 9 seconds at 1600+.

far more important is onygen content, aka wideband. this provides relevant, true data concerning how well the engine is burning the fuel injected. lean is mean and all but without you seeing the engine at 13to1 afr under boost for a few seconds, and take note what the EGT gauge next to it does....your not gonna find out much, and even then youll find variables.

idealy youd have a wb and egt on each primary or baring that using a single WB/egt gauge and just use and switch through 6 egt probes in the primary's under 12-24 identical dyno pulls and use that to skew the injectors for the leaner cylinders...since with that large of a data grouping youd have good data to at least marginally fix the variance in cyl to cyl fueling/airflow.

where the hell did you read about 4 being lean? 4 is almost never lean, it is however always loaded with oil due to poor oil windage control which promotes detonation, so yeah its more detonation prone on the high acceleration cars.

lean cylinders dep on the build, SC cars without IC tend to run leanest on 1&2 as the blower discharge angle is 30* and directly at em. with an IC this is spread out but even then the majority of the airflow through the core is through the area directly below the outlet, dep on which side of the dual pass core is the inlet one bank will always receive more of the warmer air and tend to be a bit richer than the cooler air. the restriction of the core at least dows help in uniformly distributing the air to the plenum, its just unevenly cooled.

then you get the turbo uppers for l67 lowers these always run leaner opposite the TB, as does the L36's with the runners removed. even the F body that our TR uses. our cyl 5&6 are way leaner than 1&2 and marginally so than 3&4. wanna know how i tune for it without an egt probe and a single wideband?

i read the plugs, thats it, one high load run, shutoff, pull plugs, adjust skew, note wb changes, rerun.

the reality is its not the gauges, its noting and documenting a long period of data that get your tune perfect....how do you know whats abnormal without seeing whats normal.

besides its why im making a custom mailbox for the top of our F body, fix the airflow disparity and the cylinders fire at even power which means the engine parts last longer....yay fer science
 
even the guys that run full onboard datalogging still read the plugs. if the heads were as easy to remove id pull em. a wb or egt wont tell you if you got some debris or a missing land
 


I know on piston aircraft they use EGT as a guide for adjusting mixture. But couldn't you just use front O2 temp like an EGT? I've noticed that mine will usually go up to about 1300-1500 usually lower once the engine is warmed up it will settle down into the 1000* range?


Jeff
 
EGT is pretty old school. Basically, the hotter the temps, the leaner your mixture and vice versa. The reason everyone switched to wideband o2's is they are faster and more accurate. So while putting one in can give you extra information on how your motor is running. A wideband is better.
 
Or the hotter temps are from ignition timing that's not advanced enough resulting in still burning mixture as the exhaust valve opens.
Egt just do not tell the whole story
 
^exactly. For quite a while it was the only way to get a somewhat accurate idea of what your engine was doing. Especially in a turbo motor, but it's been laid to rest in terms of actually tuning off of it.
 
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