Down With Bush
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GeddyLee
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Well Joe.............
While I tend sometimes understand your broad and yet sometimes vague references to certain things............You have to take into account a few things here.
The President is the one who makes decisions that affect our country, but we do have a Congress and Senate to decide upon his actions. And in recent we have seen more than ever a divided Congress and Senate and lots of fillabustering*. Which always somehow gets related back to the President and how it's his fault for policy gone wrong.
Sometimes polictical topics tends to go the wrong way than intended. This type of topic would be best suited for the "rant" section and explain why you feel that way. And then maybe others would chime in give their two cents worth on the topic. By no means am I defending Bush or any other president with this post, but you just need to pick a topic as to why you say, "Down with Bush." Your posting would benefit from that greatly.
Just thought I would mention that.
While I tend sometimes understand your broad and yet sometimes vague references to certain things............You have to take into account a few things here.
The President is the one who makes decisions that affect our country, but we do have a Congress and Senate to decide upon his actions. And in recent we have seen more than ever a divided Congress and Senate and lots of fillabustering*. Which always somehow gets related back to the President and how it's his fault for policy gone wrong.
Sometimes polictical topics tends to go the wrong way than intended. This type of topic would be best suited for the "rant" section and explain why you feel that way. And then maybe others would chime in give their two cents worth on the topic. By no means am I defending Bush or any other president with this post, but you just need to pick a topic as to why you say, "Down with Bush." Your posting would benefit from that greatly.
Just thought I would mention that.
GeddyLee
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No Drama Joe 
Just saying I know how some topics can get derailed by the littlest things. Believe me, I have learned my lessons on a few of those 
By all means don't stop posting, just know where to put them and give a tab bit more explaintion like you did in your last post
That's all my friend
Just saying I know how some topics can get derailed by the littlest things. Believe me, I have learned my lessons on a few of those By all means don't stop posting, just know where to put them and give a tab bit more explaintion like you did in your last post
That's all my friend
I am a die hard conservative. I would rather have Bush in again than any of the 3 people we have now.
I will still vote for McCain this year but he is not a good conservative Republican. The good republicans didn't make the cut this year. However, I think McCain may have a better chance of winning against super liberal Obama.
I will still vote for McCain this year but he is not a good conservative Republican. The good republicans didn't make the cut this year. However, I think McCain may have a better chance of winning against super liberal Obama.
SyntheticShield
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FINALLY! Some one that gets it. This whole country seems to want to point the finger at the president and they just conveniently overlook everyone else involved. It just irks me to no end when I hear people talking at work "Bush lied", "Bush did this", "Bush did that" and so on and just completely ignore that we do have a check and balance system. If he did lie, the ALL of Congress was in on it. And that goes for other things as well, the President does not handle national security by himself. He is not the sole decision maker. Furthermore, how many can say they TRULY know both sides of the story? We dont see all the information he and congress are presented with. We arent privvy to the briefs, intelligent reports, and so on. We see what the media gives us or what we can research on our own, the few that actually do that. We have more of a very general global view while the President and congress have detailed and specific information.
I too am extremely conservative, though I do not consider myself a Democrat or Republican. I have long held the belief that we are each tasked with the responsibility to research each person/canidate and determine which is best whether they be Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. We as citizens should not be voting for a party, we should be voting for a qualified canidate. Too much is placed on whether a person is one or the other and that just completely moves focus off the qualifications and quality of the person.
We do more screening and background checks on a fast food employee than we do of the people we vote into office and give the power to make laws and direct this country and there is something shamefully wrong with that.
GP2003GT
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i agree...i tend to lean more towards the conservative side, but that doesnt mean i will always pick someone just because they are republican...i always want to pick the one who would be best in my opinion and has more of the same beliefs as me...which tends to not lean towards the liberal side...lol
archemedes
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I firmly believe there is no such thing as a good politician, they do not have the countries best interest in mind, they have their own pockets in mind. I also believe we do not have a 2 party system, deep down there is no difference between the republicans and democrats as both are doing the same thing trying to screw the other guy
With the democratic candidates we have right now if you are conservative you almost have to vote republican. These are the 2 most liberal senators in the country. However, McCain isn't exactly a stand up conservative either.
Everyone claims BUSH lied about Iraq. We were told that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction by leaders in Iraq. They bluffed and we called it hard. They may very well have had something and it is now outside of the country. I do not like war. It sucks. But if we leave Iraq now we wasted a lot of time, money, and soldiers lives. I wish I could be over there but my hearing is horrible so I could not get in. I tried 3 times during the worst part of the war and I couldn't.
Everyone claims BUSH lied about Iraq. We were told that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction by leaders in Iraq. They bluffed and we called it hard. They may very well have had something and it is now outside of the country. I do not like war. It sucks. But if we leave Iraq now we wasted a lot of time, money, and soldiers lives. I wish I could be over there but my hearing is horrible so I could not get in. I tried 3 times during the worst part of the war and I couldn't.
GeddyLee
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Yes SS I do get it sometimes 
As another person stated, there are truly no good politicians. The very word politician itself is an oxymoron*. They will politic for what is paid to their bank account. NOT for what is good for the common man. MAYBE back in the early days of the United States we actually had politicians that faithfully held their principles close to their vests. But now, you see ALMOST every politician selling out to big interest groups.
Also every campaign is driven now by money and greed, it is no longer based on principles. Though politicians claim they are in it for the people, that is entirely NOT true! I think MAYBE the only politician(s) that would still fall into that category would be Ron Paul or hell even Ralph Nader (not that he is a politician persay). Both have done their best to tick off both sides of the table. And frankly that is what this country needs.
A WAKE UP CALL! :th_peaceout:
As another person stated, there are truly no good politicians. The very word politician itself is an oxymoron*. They will politic for what is paid to their bank account. NOT for what is good for the common man. MAYBE back in the early days of the United States we actually had politicians that faithfully held their principles close to their vests. But now, you see ALMOST every politician selling out to big interest groups.
Also every campaign is driven now by money and greed, it is no longer based on principles. Though politicians claim they are in it for the people, that is entirely NOT true! I think MAYBE the only politician(s) that would still fall into that category would be Ron Paul or hell even Ralph Nader (not that he is a politician persay). Both have done their best to tick off both sides of the table. And frankly that is what this country needs.
A WAKE UP CALL! :th_peaceout:
SyntheticShield
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I agree with you to some extent. I believe there are good politicians. The problem is those that do try to hold to some moral ground or stand for something usually have little to no support from either the country or peers and thats hard to do for all but the very grounded person.
We cannot look at the President (Democrat or Republican) or congress or even local offices and just write it off as to no good politicians. The people in there are voted in by us. The behavior they exhibit, the morals and values the exercise are tolerated and therefore propagated. The people in office are a reflection of us and what we are willing to put up with. Contrary to popular belief, the people do still have the power and if we fail to exercise that then we have but ourselves to blame.
I think this is, at least in part, why Mr. Bush is so unpopular. I believe he has a vision, whether you or I agree with it or not, he has one and is bound and determined to see it through. And our present day society does not tolerate one that is willing to endure and press forward toward a goal. Our society expects that if it disagrees with you that you change course no matter the purpose, goal or direction. Mr. Bush, while having taken some actions Im not always comfortable with, has nonetheless stuck to his guns and has pressed on and I do respect that.
Another issue we have as a society is that we generally feel that if we disagree with someone we can no longer support them. In other words, you are doing something I am against or disagree with so Im going to write you off all together and even if you propose something I think is a good idea, well I disagree with you elsewhere and therefore cannot support you as it might look bad.
I think it is horrible that we have come to that because you do not half to agree with all the one does in order to support them. I can still support and voice a positive opinion for Mr. Bush even if I do not totally agree with all that he has done.
Im not afraid to voice my opinion nor speak out about it. Likewise, I am not so ignorant and stubborn headed that just because I dont agree with you on anything that I cannot come to your side and support or help you in a time of need. My opinion and beliefs on matters does not negate humanity and does not cloud my perception that sometimes you have to stand behind a good proposed idea no matter who has it.
We cannot look at the President (Democrat or Republican) or congress or even local offices and just write it off as to no good politicians. The people in there are voted in by us. The behavior they exhibit, the morals and values the exercise are tolerated and therefore propagated. The people in office are a reflection of us and what we are willing to put up with. Contrary to popular belief, the people do still have the power and if we fail to exercise that then we have but ourselves to blame.
I think this is, at least in part, why Mr. Bush is so unpopular. I believe he has a vision, whether you or I agree with it or not, he has one and is bound and determined to see it through. And our present day society does not tolerate one that is willing to endure and press forward toward a goal. Our society expects that if it disagrees with you that you change course no matter the purpose, goal or direction. Mr. Bush, while having taken some actions Im not always comfortable with, has nonetheless stuck to his guns and has pressed on and I do respect that.
Another issue we have as a society is that we generally feel that if we disagree with someone we can no longer support them. In other words, you are doing something I am against or disagree with so Im going to write you off all together and even if you propose something I think is a good idea, well I disagree with you elsewhere and therefore cannot support you as it might look bad.
I think it is horrible that we have come to that because you do not half to agree with all the one does in order to support them. I can still support and voice a positive opinion for Mr. Bush even if I do not totally agree with all that he has done.
Im not afraid to voice my opinion nor speak out about it. Likewise, I am not so ignorant and stubborn headed that just because I dont agree with you on anything that I cannot come to your side and support or help you in a time of need. My opinion and beliefs on matters does not negate humanity and does not cloud my perception that sometimes you have to stand behind a good proposed idea no matter who has it.
Reptile
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While I also tend to stay away from political discussions....and there's a GOOD reason I do. I used to get into pretty heated arguments over political parties, and I just came to the conclusion you have to pick the lesser of two evils when voting, especially for president.
Voting is important, and your opinions on the people in office are important. But the most important thing out of all of this to learn is to do your background research, and find the facts. Don't simply listen to media....they twist things bad, and just because your dad or mom likes democrats....that's not a good reason to vote. My wife's parents are that exact way, yeah I think it's silly to simply vote for a guy because of his political party. Just remember, the ballot you cast will possibly shape the outcome of US economics for the next 10 years. It's a right that people take for granted.....but it's not a game.
I myself don't vote, I sit back and watch the world go by, and adapt as well as I can. Is it wrong? some might think so, but it's how I live my life, not how I expect everyone else to.
Voting is important, and your opinions on the people in office are important. But the most important thing out of all of this to learn is to do your background research, and find the facts. Don't simply listen to media....they twist things bad, and just because your dad or mom likes democrats....that's not a good reason to vote. My wife's parents are that exact way, yeah I think it's silly to simply vote for a guy because of his political party. Just remember, the ballot you cast will possibly shape the outcome of US economics for the next 10 years. It's a right that people take for granted.....but it's not a game.
I myself don't vote, I sit back and watch the world go by, and adapt as well as I can. Is it wrong? some might think so, but it's how I live my life, not how I expect everyone else to.
DWosik13
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3 people? correction 2
and im gonna tend to say that neither Clinton or Obama are "super liberal"
example of super liberal: The Green Party
i would say they are both moderate liberals
and i will say this if the divide in democrats does not heal McCain has a good chance but if it does heal it will be to close for me
but.... dont delete this unless it gets to out of control which could be quick or may never happen
SyntheticShield
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There are no plans to delete this unless it gets out of control. Im not offended when people disagree with me and I hope others have the same view. Its part of life.
Sabrewings
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I agree with all you said... just one thing. If you don't vote, don't complain.
Being in the military adds a different side to my voting this time. I'm picking my new boss...:th_lipssealed2: