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Blargh!!! code(s)!



Toasty said:
P0171 isnt an EGR code though. need to check your vac lines again, specifically looking at the fittings/T's
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When Auto "Stoned" did my scan a while back when I got that P0171 Code, they told me it was an O2 Sensor issue. Frakkin RTards. I am glad I have my own "mini" scanner to check codes and then come here and check to see what they TRULY are!!

I guess we have a "new" mod for the mod section. Removal of the BBV cap, who needs to move the BBV back for more boost now :p

As many on the "other board" would say............RTV it!!! FTMFW!!! :rolleyes: :th_lipssealed2:
 


Circuit Description

To provide the best possible combination of driveability, fuel economy, and emission control, a closed loop air/fuel metering system is used. While in closed loop, the PCM monitors the H02S 1 signal and adjusts fuel delivery based upon the HO2S signal voltage. A change made to fuel delivery will be indicated by the long and short term fuel trim values which can be monitored with a scan tool. Ideal fuel trim values are around 0%; if the HO2S signals are indicating a lean condition the PCM will add fuel, resulting in fuel trim values above 0%. If a rich condition is detected, the fuel trim values will be below 0%, indicating that the PCM is reducing the amount of fuel delivered. If an excessively lean condition is detected, the PCM will set DTC P0171.

The PCMs maximum authority to control long term fuel trim allows a range between -23% and +16%. The PCMs maximum authority to control short term fuel trim allows a range between -11% and +20%. The PCM monitors fuel trim under various operating conditions (fuel trim cells) before determining the status of the fuel trim diagnostic.

Conditions for Running the DTC


  • No MAF sensor, EGR Flow, EGR Pintle Position, ECT sensor, HO2S, Throttle Position (TP) sensor, EVAP, Misfire, Injector circuit, Idle speed, MAP sensor, Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor, Camshaft Position (CMP) sensor, Vehicle Speed (VSS) sensor, IC/Bypass, or IAT sensor DTC(s) set.
  • Engine coolant temperature between 20°C (68°F) and 110°C (230°F).
  • Intake air temperature is between -18°C (0°F) and 70°C (158°F).
  • Barometric pressure (BARO) is greater than 70 kPa.
  • Manifold absolute pressure is between 15 kPa and 85 kPa.
  • Throttle angle is less than 90%.
  • Vehicle speed is less than 75 mph.
  • Mass air flow is between 3 g/s and 150 g/s.
  • Engine speed between 600 and 4000 RPM.
Conditions for Setting the DTC


  • Long term fuel trim is at or near maximum authority of +16%.
  • Short term fuel trim is at or near maximum authority of +20%.
  • All conditions have been met in Fuel Trim Cells 2, 4, 6, 9 and/or 10.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets


  • The PCM will illuminate the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test has been run and failed.
  • The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC set as Freeze Frame and Fail Records data.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC


  • The PCM will turn the MIL OFF during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic has been run and passed.
  • The history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
  • The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool Clear Info function or by disconnecting the PCM battery feed.
Diagnostic Aids

Check for the following conditions:


  • Heated oxygen sensor wiring: The sensor pigtail may be routed incorrectly and contacting the exhaust system.
  • Poor PCM to engine block grounds: Ensure that the PCM grounds are clean, tight, and in the proper locations. Refer to Ground Distribution in Electrical Diagnosis.
  • Fuel pressure: The system will go lean if pressure is too low. The PCM can compensate for some decrease. However, if fuel pressure is too low, a DTC P0171 may be set.
  • Refer to Fuel System Pressure Test. See: Component Tests and General Diagnostics\Fuel System Pressure Test
  • Fuel injector(s): Refer to Fuel Injector Coil Test (ECT Within 10-35°C) or Fuel Injector Coil Test (ECT Outside 10-35°C).
  • Vacuum leaks: Check for the following conditions:
  • Disconnected or damaged vacuum hoses. Refer to Emission Hose Routing Diagram.
  • Incorrectly installed or malfunctioning crankcase ventilation valve.
  • Vacuum leaks at the throttle body, EGR valve, and intake manifold mounting surfaces.
  • Exhaust leaks: An exhaust leak may cause outside air to be pulled into the exhaust gas stream past the HO2S, causing the system to appear lean. Check for exhaust leaks that may cause a false lean condition to be indicated. Refer to Exhaust System.
  • Mass Air Flow sensor: Disconnect the MAF sensor and see if the lean condition is corrected. If so, replace MAF sensor. Refer to MAF Sensor:
  • Fuel contamination: Water, even in small amounts, can be delivered to the fuel injectors. The water can cause a lean exhaust to be indicated. Excessive alcohol in the fuel can also cause this condition. Refer to Alcohol/Contaminants-in-Fuel Testing Procedure.
  • Poor connection at the PCM: Inspect harness connectors for backed out terminals, improper mating, broken locks, improperly formed or damaged terminals, and poor terminal to wire connection.
  • Damaged harness: Inspect the wiring harness for damage.
  • If the harness appears to be OK, observe the HO2S 1 display on the scan tool while moving connectors and wiring harnesses related to the engine harness. A change in the display will indicate the location of the malfunction.
Reviewing the Fail Records vehicle mileage since the diagnostic test last failed may help determine how often the condition that caused the DTC to be set occurs. This may assist in diagnosing the condition.

Test Description

Number(s) below refer to the step number(s) on the Diagnostic Table.


  1. DTCs other than P0171 may indicate that a condition is present which may cause a lean condition. If this is the case, repairing the condition which caused the other DTC will most likely correct the DTC P0171.
  1. If the DTC P0171 test passes while the Fail Records conditions are being duplicated, the lean condition is intermittent. Refer to Diagnostic Aids for additional information on diagnosing intermittent conditions.
 

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Thanks I think I see my answer " Vacuum leaks at the throttle body, EGR valve, and intake manifold mounting surfaces." I am going to work on that tomorrow
 
archemedes said:
Thanks I think I see my answer " Vacuum leaks at the throttle body, EGR valve, and intake manifold mounting surfaces." I am going to work on that tomorrow
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if you use some carb cleaner or wd40 or similar near the points where you suspect vaccum issues, the rpm of the motor should change-- at least on the intake side.

though as discussed in another thread, you're gonna have to have the code cleared out via scanner...
 


GeddyLee said:
^^^^^^^ I think my head just exploded trying to understand that!

Thanks Toasty!!!! :p
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it's really not that bad if you go step by step, though the chart, man. --- I LOVE my alldata subscription


best $30 ive spent on any of my cars. ($30/five years-- with one vehicle change in the 5 year span)
 
Toasty said:
if you use some carb cleaner or wd40 or similar near the points where you suspect vaccum issues, the rpm of the motor should change-- at least on the intake side.

though as discussed in another thread, you're gonna have to have the code cleared out via scanner...
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tried it near all the lines, and got bupkiss, I'm going to try some ether if the egr leak (it's bad, and may be pulling in air making the o2 sensor think it's got too much air)
 
archemedes said:
tried it near all the lines, and got bupkiss, I'm going to try some ether if the egr leak (it's bad, and may be pulling in air making the o2 sensor think it's got too much air)
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lol, did you try it at the joint of the two halves of the BBV? ( and the little vac line that feeds into the boost control solenoid?)


:D
 
found the leak, the guy I got it from had the egr removed, and reinstalled, well when they reinstalled it they never bolted the bracket down, all the flexing broke the pipe under the throttle body, seems to be better now, but haven't driven but a couple miles
 


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