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First off I NEVER said every god damn GM car had American parts anyway. We all know thats not true, duh. Because i'm not some collage grad doesn't mean i'm a dumb **** either.

I don't get this argument. Are you saying GM is an import? The fact of the matter is GM is a domestic period. Thats what it is cut and dry. Honda ain't a domestic, period, its an import.

As I said in my last post, I don't give a damn about where the **** is made. GTO in Austraila, GP in Canada, etc etc. Its still a damn domestic period. We can argue this till the cows come home but the fact of the matter is GM is a domestic, period and done. GM has got branches all over the world, so what. That doesn't make a ****.

GM = Domestic. Do I need to repeat this again? Probably so.
 


Iron Indian said:
First off I NEVER said every god damn GM car had American parts anyway. We all know thats not true, duh. Because i'm not some collage grad doesn't mean i'm a dumb **** either.

I don't get this argument. Are you saying GM is an import? The fact of the matter is GM is a domestic period. Thats what it is cut and dry. Honda ain't a domestic, period, its an import.

As I said in my last post, I don't give a damn about where the **** is made. GTO in Austraila, GP in Canada, etc etc. Its still a damn domestic period. We can argue this till the cows come home but the fact of the matter is GM is a domestic, period and done. GM has got branches all over the world, so what. That doesn't make a ****.

GM = Domestic. Do I need to repeat this again? Probably so.
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Well I'll leave this one be Shawn 'cause you obviously cannot get out more than five words with cursing God or taking it personally. I was trying to have a friendly debate but that does not seem possible with you in the conversation.
 
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Iron Indian said:
First off I NEVER said every god damn GM car had American parts anyway. We all know thats not true, duh. Because i'm not some collage grad doesn't mean i'm a dumb **** either.

I don't get this argument. Are you saying GM is an import? The fact of the matter is GM is a domestic period. Thats what it is cut and dry. Honda ain't a domestic, period, its an import.

As I said in my last post, I don't give a damn about where the **** is made. GTO in Austraila, GP in Canada, etc etc. Its still a damn domestic period. We can argue this till the cows come home but the fact of the matter is GM is a domestic, period and done. GM has got branches all over the world, so what. That doesn't make a ****.

GM = Domestic. Do I need to repeat this again? Probably so.
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Well I guess in Shawn's argument, I can see his logic to some degree, but the question begs. When you see something in an electronics store that says "Developed in the US and manufactured in China." Where you do place your decision on whether or not it is an import?

You can look at cars in the same fashion. WAY BACK in the day when the American automotive industry was at its strongest, before Honda, Toyota, Volkswagon etc, started coming into the US. I bet you almost all the parts were made in America and those cars were all built by American workers. Obviously over the years things have changed quite drastically.

You see cars now designed here in the US, and made elsewhere, or at least parts of them are made and shipped to the US. It does not make it an import, but it holds a certain level of not being truly American built if you want to look at it in that light.

Sorry you got rilled up Shawn, but I think you are looking at this whole discussion in the wrong light. Just thought I would try and help clear it up a bit. And if it doesn't? Please don't curse me :)
 


Lowest I remember paying was some time in 1998 or 1999 when gas was 77 cents in Atlanta. I'm sure it was cheaper when I was growing up, but I just don't remember it.
 
Well I'll leave this one be Shawn 'cause you obviously cannot get out more than five words with cursing God or taking it personally. I was trying to have a friendly debate but that does not seem possible with you in the conversation.
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To me a few of the responses seemed to be personal. Especially when words were thrown into my mouth I never said in the first place. That pisses me off more than anything.

To me it seems like everytime I support my country and our automakers I get ****. Sometimes I think i'm one of the few real domestic car guys here. Not saying I don't like any imports, but i'm a strong domestic guy period.

As for being friendly, maybe you think so, but to me it looked like a bash match against the idiot who loves domestic car heaven forbid that. Being on a Grand Prix board (which happens to be a domestic car), you'd think you wouldn't get hell for supporting domestic cars. Oh well.

With that said, hopefully you can understand why I got pissy.


Well I guess in Shawn's argument, I can see his logic to some degree, but the question begs. When you see something in an electronics store that says "Developed in the US and manufactured in China." Where you do place your decision on whether or not it is an import?
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I'm glad someone on this "domestic" board can see where i'm coming from. Thank you James.

As for that senerio. I maybe wrong but i'm seeing it like the modern GTO, a domestic car but made in Austraila.


You can look at cars in the same fashion. WAY BACK in the day when the American automotive industry was at its strongest, before Honda, Toyota, Volkswagon etc, started coming into the US. I bet you almost all the parts were made in America and those cars were all built by American workers. Obviously over the years things have changed quite drastically.
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I agree. I wish I lived in the 60s and 70s during the muscle car era. I've always said I was born way too late!


You see cars now designed here in the US, and made elsewhere, or at least parts of them are made and shipped to the US. It does not make it an import, but it holds a certain level of not being truly American built if you want to look at it in that light.
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I see what your saying. Then again, every company (auto or whatever) seems to sub stuff outside the US all the time. Its been done for years. And the reason? Cheap labor. But I look where its based from as to what it is.


Sorry you got rilled up Shawn, but I think you are looking at this whole discussion in the wrong light. Just thought I would try and help clear it up a bit. And if it doesn't? Please don't curse me
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Why would I curse you? You talked to me like an adult, therefore I did the same. Obviously we see things eye to eye but I don't think the others do.

Seemed like I was getting hell for being a domestic guy, thats all. Then people saying american cars are actully imports. I'm not a moron, I know parts a subbed out all over the world. Any idiot knows that.
 


Yeah, and as I said, the Impala is made in Canada. And what about the Mercedes plant in Alabama, and the BMW plant in South Carolina? They employ Americans, and sell the bulk of those vehicles in America. I'd say also that most of the parts suppliers are also American.

Does "Domestic" vs. "Import" simply mean where the money goes in the end? What about Holden or Opel? Since they are wholely owned subsidiaries of American companies, how are they classified? And what if I buy a Pontiac Vibe? It's essentially a Toyota Matrix...
 
Thats kind of the point I was trying to make. Today's automobiles are made from such various sources both domestic and foreign that really today domestic and import is really a vague term anymore. Even Hyundai has a billion dollar plant in Alabama. Subaru has a huge plant somewhere in the United States as well.

As well its hard to even call it where the company is based too. Companies have domestic and foreign headquarters. Its just becoming an increasingly blury line and will become even more so as both domestic and foreign automakers look to cut costs, form partnerships and so on.
 
The big three is in Detroit, therefore there are domestic companys. I don't care whats subbed where. Thats my point and only point.

Yes there are Nissans, Hondas, etc made in America, but they came from and are still based overseas. They will NEVER be a domestic company as far as i'm concerned. I don't care what anyone says.

As for company forming partnerships, thats been going on for years and i've never really been happy about that. Oh well, I just stay away from those Hybrid Domports.

Its funny, for a bunch of so called "domestic" guys, a couple of you guys defend imports like crazy. Its usually the ricers defending them. Oh well, I find it all funny thats all. IMO, its all an excuse so in your eyes its ok to give the money to some people that were our enemy years ago. Thats how I see it, look how far this thread is going? It won't stop till you guys see the words "Its ok to buy imports, to hell with the big three". It will be a cold day in hell before you see me type it or say it and mean it.

BTW, this thread had some good points I thought. ClubGP Message Forum troubleshooting
 
I can't help what I like, I like the Lancer Evo, and I love the STi. I love 350z's. I owned a DSM and grew to love the 4g63t. Nissan GT-R is a pretty bad ass car as well. Can't deny Nissan of that puppy.

It's all in what you want. You want a circle track car why wouldn't a lotus elise or mazda miata be a great pick? American companies wanted to continue putting out solid rear axled cars for the drag strip only. There aren't many options that are as affordable as a miata or rx-7 that have a live suspension. The corvette, the viper... not much else
 
Iron Indian said:
Its funny, for a bunch of so called "domestic" guys, a couple of you guys defend imports like crazy.
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Its not called defending them, though I see nothing wrong with that either, its called stating the facts. The companies themselves by physical location of their place of business may be domestic, but as stated earlier most of the domestic companies have foreign headquarters as well as the import/foreign companies do here.


Iron Indian said:
IMO, its all an excuse so in your eyes its ok to give the money to some people that were our enemy years ago.
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You complain about this yet you work in an industry that send BILLIONS of dollars that ARE our enemies now. Furthermore, the American people working in those 'foreign' plants such as Subaru, Honda, Hyndai, etc are paid in dollars from those sales that puts money into our economy and food on their table.

Iron Indian said:
Thats how I see it, look how far this thread is going? It won't stop till you guys see the words "Its ok to buy imports, to hell with the big three". It will be a cold day in hell before you see me type it or say it and mean it.
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There is nothing wrong with with buying a so called 'import', and no one is trying to convince you that you should or shouldnt buy an import or domestic. The point from the start was that a domestic isnt truly a domestic anymore than an import is truly and import in anything more than nameplate.

Additionally, when you buy a domestic car, you're money doesnt stay solely in the US as most debt, which the domestic automakers have a lot of, is owned by foreign investors and therefore the money you spend on a domestic vehicle is also going overseas to places like Japan and China to name a couple. Likewise, when you buy an import, not all your money is going overseas either. The import automakers based here in the US pay American workers in American dollars.

Its just a fact of a global economy. The replacement parts you buy for your car are rarely fully domestic even. If we use your definition of domestic and import in that its based on where the company is headquartered, then in the most simplistic and narrow of definition and views that may be true, but in reality its far from the case.

That doesnt make anyone that agrees with that view any less American or a moron. Its just a fact of the way things are.
 


Damn, you don't give up edo ya? I've said it several times, and I guess i'lll repeat it again.

Domestic = USA
Import = Overseas

Will I need to repeat this again? I bet so.

You keep mentioning stuff being done overseas for american automakers, blah blah blah. How many times have I acknowleged this? And how many times are you going to repeat this? Damn dude, get a grip. I already know. Your detemined to win this. **** is made all over the world for everyone. Will I need to repeat this too?

Whats my job have to do with the discussion? Nothing at all. What happens to the oil and gas after it comes out of the ground in Oklahoma/Texas/Kansas/Arkansas is out of our companys hands. We supply the wellhead equipment (which is made in the USA, forgings and all), and I install it and function it. Its like *****ing about an American car being made here and being bought from someone overseas. Absolutly pointless. Leave my work out of this, that ain't the discussion anyway. Whats next, you going to talk about my family tree?

How long will this bull**** continue and how often can things be repeated? I may start keeping count, its kinda funny.
 
Well if you had taken a moment to read my post you would have seen that I agreed that if one used your simplistic narrow definition of what is domestic and import then your view would be correct. I guess you missed that.

And as what your job has to do with the discussion, again, if you would read, you opened up that line by contesting where our money went when we bought import cars. And my point to pointing out where money goes in the oil and gas industry was just as you said, we have little control over where it goes because of us all living in a global economy. The major difference I pointed out was that the money we ship out in the oil an gas industry goes to people that are (present tense) our enemies now, whereas you pointed out that our money in buying imports (you cited Japan) was going to people that were (past tense in case you missed that) our enemy.

In fact, we all in some way are probably connected to countries that do no like us either in our use of gas, our auto purchases or other types of spending that trickle back to less than friendly countries but there is little any of us can do that in todays global economy.

If I need to simplify more let me know and I can go get some crayons.
 
LOL, this is funny and I called it. A repeat of everything again, damn dude, you're hands tried yet bubba? And best yet, you're trying to divert from the subject at hand. I'll keep this on topic for ya.

Since you can repeat, I guess I will too...

Domestic = USA
Import = Overseas

I'm looking forward to seeing you're next post, this is the thread that will never end! It'll be a repeat of the same ol' **** we already know again...
 
For a good measure, I figure i'll make another useless post and repeat again, what the hell, right? You can, so can I!

Domestic = USA
Import = Overseas

Alrighty, i'm off to a 20hr job now, c-ya....
 
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