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Abbott Racing heads

Keep in mind that if you switch to the l36/l26 intake, you will need to switch to NA heads as well. You can just use l36 fuel rails too at that point. The only advantage if logs at your level is to clean up the engine bay.

And 60# injectors will supply enough fuel on premium to get you into the tens. However, I usually just recommend 80's because they are almost the same price and you have room to grow if you switch to e85.
 


GTPpower said:
Keep in mind that if you switch to the l36/l26 intake, you will need to switch to NA heads as well. You can just use l36 fuel rails too at that point. The only advantage if logs at your level is to clean up the engine bay.

And 60# injectors will supply enough fuel on premium to get you into the tens. However, I usually just recommend 80's because they are almost the same price and you have room to grow if you switch to e85.
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Do you think i'd be better to find an aluminum intake? So after i remove my M90 blower, and lower intake, i can't use my stock L67
heads if i install the conversion kit? I emailed few times with Tim at ZZP and didn't mention this stuff . I know you're saying about the 80#
injectors but for my plans with the car i know i'll never use E85 and i'll never need 80# injectors. But now i'm getting a little confused over the
whole intake issues. I rather find an run a aluminum intake or whatever it takes with the plastic intakes.
 
The plastic ones did have a problem with cracking, so you are better off with the aluminum if you're going through the effort of the swap.

The NA intakes have the injector bungs in them instead of the heads like the l67/l32 does. So, if you want to switch go the na intakes without swapping heads, you can just tap and plug the injector bungs in the intake. I forgot to mention that before, but it would be way easier and cheaper than swapping the heads.
 
GTPpower said:
The plastic ones did have a problem with cracking, so you are better off with the aluminum if you're going through the effort of the swap.

The NA intakes have the injector bungs in them instead of the heads like the l67/l32 does. So, if you want to switch go the na intakes without swapping heads, you can just tap and plug the injector bungs in the intake. I forgot to mention that before, but it would be way easier and cheaper than swapping the heads.
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That's sounds a hell of a lot better dealing with the plastic BS intake again. I have seen on sites like this one and some show under
their hood and they show their aluminum intake. When i saw that a while back i knew for sure i wanted to go that route. Then i had some guys posting asking if i was crazy cause that intake will suffer from heat soak. It's a little bit true. But i won't mind some heat in the intake. But i have time to look into.

Where can i get that aluminum intake and the matching lower intake? Are they available new? And i bet they cost your first born. But i'm in NJ so there's plenty of car junk yards. I can look at those places.
 
Oh man i just read your post again, and i like where you mention the N/A intake deal.
Then i can just keep my L67 stock heads correct? Well, that also sounds nice to look into...Man thanks again.
 
i cant see there being any gains form using the na intake.

but a block off plate for the blower, gut its rotors out, and run the turbo through it. much cheaper and works just fine. why deal with head swaps or drilling and locating injectors in a lim.
 


You don't drill the intake for new injectors....you tap and plug the injector bungs currently there.

It has been assumed that spool time is quicker with the na manifold since it's better at moving air pre-boost. Adding a hv3 on top of that is supposed to help by another few hundred rpms.

Any junkyard should have the aluminum intake. They came on 04+ grand prix' s. And yes, then you can keep your l67 heads.
 
Scottydoggs said:
i cant see there being any gains form using the na intake.

but a block off plate for the blower, gut its rotors out, and run the turbo through it. much cheaper and works just fine. why deal with head swaps or drilling and locating injectors in a lim.
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Well, if you're responding to my post, if i was going to change the intake, i'd be more interested in a aluminum mainly so i would
never have to worry about the plastic intake gasket and never will have to worry about any leaks. Yes, the aluminum intake can get some
heat soak, but the intake will never crack or get brittle. Plus you can cleanup any casting flash inside the intake no matter how little there is.
I rather use any intake then to use the M90 and the block off plate. Sure it will work, but the blower case is plenty restrictive and the lower
intake manifold has tons of restriction. So to get the best performance out of the blower case and lower intake, the case should be ported
on the inlet side and the exit side to remove as much restriction as possible. Now the lower intake manifold has a small opening where the
boost goes through which kills power. So now we would have to open up the manifolds opening. So it's not that cheap when you add every thing together. Plus the blower/manifold/block off plate isn't efficient enough at spooling up the turbo.
 
GTPpower said:
You don't drill the intake for new injectors....you tap and plug the injector bungs currently there.

It has been assumed that spool time is quicker with the na manifold since it's better at moving air pre-boost. Adding a hv3 on top of that is supposed to help by another few hundred rpms.

Any junkyard should have the aluminum intake. They came on 04+ grand prix' s. And yes, then you can keep your l67 heads.
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That's good cause we have plenty of junkyards. lol When i saw the aluminum on someone's GTP i was glad to know it will fit the L67 heads.
 
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I just want to post what Tim from ZZP emailed to me about the L67/L32 to L26/L36 conversion kit. Well, first was my question to him then
here is a copy of his email to me.

Hey Tim,
Also you might remember i'm going to modify a Grand Pric GTP. Well i just signed up on Grand Prix Form, and i saw a guy posting if
if anyone installed the L67/L32 to L36/L26 the conversion can't be used with the stock L67 heads. It was news to me, but rather ask
you direct. Thank Tim.


It is made specifically for L67/L32 heads. ;)



Thank you for your business,
Turbo Tim

So if you run the L36/L26 intake on a L67 motor you don't have to run N/A heads. Like Tim said, the conversion
was made to run N/A intakes on the L67/L32 blower motors that switch to a turbo kit.
 
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lola said:
I mean I'd never do business with Turbo Tim; but okay.
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And why would you never to business with Tim? I mean in all fairness if you make a statement like that you should
also explain why u would or wouldn't do business with anyone. Not try to bust balls, just curious that's all.
 
we tend to not like zzp here much. most of there info given is old, fake, or was never right to start with in the first place. and of course their prices are high as well.
 
Blacknitews6 said:
And why would you never to business with Tim? I mean in all fairness if you make a statement like that you should
also explain why u would or wouldn't do business with anyone. Not try to bust balls, just curious that's all.
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The ONLY person I would be doing business with at ZZP is Steve Hickman.

After being burned multiple times by their poor tuning services back in the day, the trash customer service, and the multitude of times that I was told that I didn't know how to install a bricked PCM into a car (yes, I had 4 or 5 PCM's from them that were in programming mode)...I finally contacted the Missouri Attorney General to get all my money back that they we not willing to refund. I could sit here all day and talk about my bad experiences, or the three~ times I ordered things from them and got 180% wrong products.

I just choose to do business where I had success; which never happened there.

However, if it works for you, then bravo. I hope they turned things around.
 


+1 for Steve. I've never had a problem with Tim, but I haven't talked much with him. Zooomer is a dick....has always been. Oh, if you guys could have seen the days when him, Scott cook, and mike k used to go back and forth. I swear, everything else you've ever seen on the internet is tame compared to that.

Most if the time, I usually just email Mattm if I have questions. After all, he did have a 8 second grand prix.
 
GTPpower said:
+1 for Steve. I've never had a problem with Tim, but I haven't talked much with him. Zooomer is a dick....has always been. Oh, if you guys could have seen the days when him, Scott cook, and mike k used to go back and forth. I swear, everything else you've ever seen on the internet is tame compared to that.

Most if the time, I usually just email Mattm if I have questions. After all, he did have a 8 second grand prix.
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Old CGP was fun before they banned everyone.
 
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