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a lesson about civics.

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ctracer said:
kia/sonata 2.4 have 200 hp N/A.
honda has a 190 hp 2.4
and the rest are all kinda in the ballpark.
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Road cars are designed around the engines torque curve not HP. 4 cylinders are limited by the number of combustions per revolution.
I would much rather have a 2.4L 6 than a 2.4L 4 cylinder. I don't care how much HP a 4 cylinder has; it's just not the same in a road car.
Now for racing, that's a different story. The 4 banger is notoriously durable at very high RPM, making it perfect for racing.

4 cylinder engines are extremely cheap to manufacture. IMHO this is the only reason they're used in road cars. They sure as hell don't have fuel efficiency that most people think.
 


bluegtp91 said:
We don't all have truck scale weights that screw readings.
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We dont all make complete a$$es of ourselves for being a jerk right off the handle before logically considering a statement either :)
Calm yo tits bro


Anyways,

In no way would I ever defend a Honda. But ive known quite a few friends who completely relied on there impressive whp numbers to stomp Hondas and been shamefully beaten.

A heavy Honda is 2900lbs. A light American car im GUESSING is 3200lbs. Its surprising how often it comes into play, weight.



Anyways. In no way do I mean

"Run Shadowfax, show us the meaning of haste." -Gandalf
 
Plus I wouldn't think you'd need a scale to figure out a Honda civic weighs less than a gp....

"Run Shadowfax, show us the meaning of haste." -Gandalf
 
Rico said:
Poil

What's your opinion on the 3.9? Seen many of those in the shop?
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they leak, like everything else GM makes. i haven't seen many mechanical parts with the engine go wrong, just the cars that surround it. biggest problem with the motor is crossover gaskets. GM thought they would be slick and kill leaking intake manifolds by not running coolant through the intake... and then the crossover leaks. there's a revised part out for it now i believe. but the cars... anything to do with front suspension tends to break.

back to the pissing match... is better technology not a replacement for engine size? talking strictly about engine output, the fact that 4 and 6 cylinder engines today put out the power that older V8's do speaks to the fact that cubic inches aren't the determining factor in power output anymore. "technology" - direct injection, boost, tighter maching tolerances, higher compression ratios, less rotating inertia... they all replace size
 


Nixon said:
boost is still the great equalizer.
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Displacement is the great separator.

My boat has 496 cubic inches of extreme potential. With a small Weiand blower it makes a puny 800 HP/780 TQ. The motor is set up for a very flat TQ curve from 3000 to 4500 RPM The motor could easily make 1600 HP with a cheap turbo...basically bolt ons.
 
Yea, I haven't heard much about power band(torque curve). Just peak numbers(some impressive:th_eyepopping:). Power band is a big thing in motocross circles. I had a built KDX 200 back in tha day.
 
Fully built sleeved high compression H22 turbo with lsd are very fast. A friend has it and its a gratiot ave killer. He ran 11.3 dont recon what his trap was. But like my grandpa always said theres no replacment for displacement.
 


Poil336 said:
they leak, like everything else GM makes. i haven't seen many mechanical parts with the engine go wrong, just the cars that surround it. biggest problem with the motor is crossover gaskets. GM thought they would be slick and kill leaking intake manifolds by not running coolant through the intake... and then the crossover leaks. there's a revised part out for it now i believe. but the cars... anything to do with front suspension tends to break.

back to the pissing match... is better technology not a replacement for engine size? talking strictly about engine output, the fact that 4 and 6 cylinder engines today put out the power that older V8's do speaks to the fact that cubic inches aren't the determining factor in power output anymore. "technology" - direct injection, boost, tighter maching tolerances, higher compression ratios, less rotating inertia... they all replace size
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Uh never saw a duramax leak anything unless it was coolant from a leaking head gasket..... oh wait izsuzu designed that engine.

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Toms04compg said:
Fully built sleeved high compression H22 turbo with lsd are very fast. A friend has it and its a gratiot ave killer. He ran 11.3 dont recon what his trap was. But like my grandpa always said theres no replacment for displacement.
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My point exactly. "Fully Built" = heavy modded, H22 I'm gonna assume Civic... running low 11s. VERY FAST.

But my friends stock lower end, slightly modded NA 02 Camaro SS runs 11s... so ermmm... yea
 
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