Venom Coolers (intercool your snout)

[darkhorizon]

Ceramic bearings are proven highly effective in every other application that uses a high stress spinning item. Your magical water snout injection pile of crap has not been tested anywhere.

 

[matt5112]

Ceramic bearings are proven highly effective in every other application that uses a high stress spinning item. Your magical water snout injection pile of crap has not been tested anywhere.

Water cooled turbos do not exist as per you?

Waiting for you to tell me water cooling a turbo is pointless.

 

[copgtp]

Ceramic bearings are proven highly effective in every other application that uses a high stress spinning item. Your magical water snout injection pile of crap has not been tested anywhere.

Shocking......he's confronted with another alternative to his snake oil cooler.......and all does is raise a "BS" flag. And he was calling ME immature.

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[Posi Performance]

I've reported a post in here and I'm waiting to hear back from a moderator or admin so I can defend myself. Thanks to you that sent me emails about this or pm's on other boards. As usual the first thing that comes to my mind is Stiegemeier has still not learned that the "internet and honest car enthusiasts" are all connected. It's nice to see all of us no matter the make of car looking out for ourselves.

Here's something to start off about how I only have nutswingers. The poll in this thread is from the LARGEST SVT site in the Country and those members are the ones that voted 140 to 20. Stieg has done 3,650 ports to date (supposedly) and I've done 340+......

Posi or steg port? - SVTPerformance

They were also kicked off of modularfords.com which they used to be the supporting vendor for the 2003/2004 Terminator section. I could spend a full day in here pointing out lie's but will wait for direction.

Thanks,
Brian

 

[Mike Kopstain]

I did a little more reading on the device and I'm going to backtrack just a bit. If the intent of this product is for road racing, where the blower is going to see exponentially more stress than just about any of us put it under, then this might have a purpose. It's a non-issue on the 3800 because nobody road races them but still, if someone does, perhaps there's a use there.

My point of contention is the insinuation that this is going to result in any kind of appreciable horsepower. It sounds like the device might have a real use on some platforms (not the 3800) but that the marketing behind it is disingenuous. I would love to see before and after outlet temperature measurements though. It's literally all that needs to be done to shut people up. It's the simplest of tests and one that someone with a supercharger dyno is more than capable of performing.

 

[Bio248]

I've reported a post in here and I'm waiting to hear back from a moderator or admin so I can defend myself. Thanks to you that sent me emails about this or pm's on other boards. As usual the first thing that comes to my mind is Stiegemeier has still not learned that the "internet and honest car enthusiasts" are all connected. It's nice to see all of us no matter the make of car looking out for ourselves.

Here's something to start off about how I only have nutswingers. The poll in this thread is from the LARGEST SVT site in the Country and those members are the ones that voted 140 to 20. Stieg has done 3,650 ports to date (supposedly) and I've done 340+......

Posi or steg port? - SVTPerformance

They were also kicked off of modularfords.com which they used to be the supporting vendor for the 2003/2004 Terminator section. I could spend a full day in here pointing out lie's but will wait for direction.

Thanks,
Brian

No one is stopping you. Do what you gotta do, man.

 

[matt5112]

No one is stopping you. Do what you gotta do, man.

Just try and keep it factual rather than inflammatory.

 

[FoSHO99]

Just keep it real.

I have no idea why this thread is 10 pages. I saw the video and agreed that it may work in roadracing, which none of us do, or even run pullies small enough to warrant this even a possibility. Even if it makes the slightest difference, it's one more thing that could go wrong.

 

[infinite_one]

I've reported a post in here and I'm waiting to hear back from a moderator or admin so I can defend myself. Thanks to you that sent me emails about this or pm's on other boards. As usual the first thing that comes to my mind is Stiegemeier has still not learned that the "internet and honest car enthusiasts" are all connected. It's nice to see all of us no matter the make of car looking out for ourselves.

Here's something to start off about how I only have nutswingers. The poll in this thread is from the LARGEST SVT site in the Country and those members are the ones that voted 140 to 20. Stieg has done 3,650 ports to date (supposedly) and I've done 340+......

Posi or steg port? - SVTPerformance

They were also kicked off of modularfords.com which they used to be the supporting vendor for the 2003/2004 Terminator section. I could spend a full day in here pointing out lie's but will wait for direction.

Thanks,
Brian

Your welcome Brian! Can't sit back and let someone bash someone not defending themselves


Sent from my iPhone, please disregard grammatical errors.

 

[Impala131]

Not that this thread needs any more opinions, but I feel like the supporters of this "unique" product aren't doing a very good job of, well, supporting it!

I'm not saying your product is crap, but you're going onto an enthusiast forum and advertising this thing without any proof that it gives the advertised results. I'd be scared if people were not skeptical. Trashing these people for natural and healthy skepticism doesn't seem very smart or professional. Rather, you're just alienating yourselves from the community. Surely you don't think all this bickering is good PR for this product? Being rude toward respected community members probably isn't wise, even if you feel you're only returning the favor.

I suggest a different strategy. Sit tight, gather or wait for real world data that can be used scientifically to prove the product's claims, and present it intelligently when the time comes.

 

[lrscgod]

When will the Transmission and Motor Mount coolers be available? And what size pump will I need to run? Thanks!!

 

[gtpsleeper]

I did a little more reading on the device and I'm going to backtrack just a bit. If the intent of this product is for road racing, where the blower is going to see exponentially more stress than just about any of us put it under, then this might have a purpose. It's a non-issue on the 3800 because nobody road races them but still, if someone does, perhaps there's a use there.

My point of contention is the insinuation that this is going to result in any kind of appreciable horsepower. It sounds like the device might have a real use on some platforms (not the 3800) but that the marketing behind it is disingenuous. I would love to see before and after outlet temperature measurements though. It's literally all that needs to be done to shut people up. It's the simplest of tests and one that someone with a supercharger dyno is more than capable of performing.

I like this guy.... so far, even with people trying to insult him for good input on more than a few occasions, hes the only one that really keeps his cool...

good man...

 

[infinite_one]

For the record I've never done business with a blower porting company


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[Posi Performance]

Re: Vemon Coolers (intercool your snout)

An interesting read indeed.

1.Now, since I was summarily “banned” from SVTP and Modfords without a chance to make my case, I’ll do it here.

Ok, where to start. Lemme see. In April of 2009 I was commissioned by Stiege to build the blower dyno. It is probably my greatest sole achievement, something I worked very hard on and that I’m extremely proud of. Six months of design and execution in my garage. And it works. It is able to spin the Eatons up to 18,000 rpm and datalog multiple parameters, it is, to my knowledge the only fully portable electric supercharger dyno in existence.

I have known Bob Stiegemeier for some 20+ years, interacting with him first on a set of heads he ported for me (which were fuching works of art btw) he has always been a willing mentor, always available to lend a helping hand or answer any question I has and we developed a professional friendship over the years. I was flattered he had commissioned me to build this test bench and he gave me pretty much free reign after defining some of his requirements.

During the final stages of the build I completed it at his shop, working with a retired EE on the software he designed so we could adhere to the SAE requirements to legitimize all the data we acquired from testing. SAE is very rigid in its parameters for construction and data acquisition.

While working out of Bobs shop/office around this time I became aware of the Posi “situation”. 2.Bob and his wife Robyn filled me in on the background of Brian Hartlage and I was allowed to read the numerous PM’s and emails from him to them.

Posi was merely a member on SVTP and Modfords at that point and had yet to officially launch his “business” Posi Performance. The first PM’s were very social, with Brian wanting to know details of Bobs ports and he was constantly asking for specs. At first Bob would answer his questions but then Brian started bashing him on the forums so he basically told him to find out on his own. Around the same time Jake Conant (Badass03SVT) was running very low 10’s with Bobs Stage 4 port and asked for a free upgrade to the new Stage 5 to try and hit the 9’s. Bob had just been banned on another sponsorship so he said no. When Jake posted this on the forums Posi approached him about “upgrading” his port to a raceport for for free and Jake let him. Posi advertises that his “raceport” is the first ported blower on a Terminator to run 9’s and that’s true but…..Jake make other changes to the car at the same time so I feel that’s debatable. While Brian (Posi) had Jakes blower he posted on both SVT and Modfords showing the “upgraded” port never claiming it was a Stage 4 and claimed it as his own design . Problem was that all he showed in the pictures was the port inlet and all hed had done was remove the signature “rib” Bob leaves over the EGR hole. Everything else was untouched. This is also the famous “4[SUP]th[/SUP] port Evar” where Brian Hartlage claims he learned to port blowers all by hisself with no flowbench or dyno on the homepage of his site Home Oh, and BTW, 3.Posi doesn’t even port these blowers himself (like Bob does) he has some guy named George in the back of the shop do them. So Bob calls him out on the forums for “stealing” his work and nearly everyone sided with Posi because he was a “member and enthusiast” and not a “vendor” just out to make a buck. People said Bob was picking on the “little guy” just trying to make a buck. They felt that even though the blower was ported by Bob that Brian had made enough changes to it that he had made it his own. Turns out though that Brian Hartlage isn’t a “little guy” at all. 4.He co-owns a 5 million $$$ a year mold shop called Hartlage Mfg. That he and his brother "bought" from their parents. The persona he shows on the “public” web is very different from the 5.Brian Hartlage I saw in the later PM’s and emails full of threats, insults and crazy rants. Many times he has posted on the public forums only to quickly edit himself once his 6.meds have taken effect so he can’t be quoted.

“I’ve learned in the "Public’s" eye and typically will continue to do so.”

He carefully crafts posts to be critical of Stiege but stay safe from the moderators and forum admins. 7.He also posts under multiple screen names on these forums to ask himself questions, give himself praise, and to further criticize Stiege while not “tarnishing” his good name.

I joined both Modfords and SVTP ananomously (as does nearly everyone) and started questioning some of his comments and sticking up for Bob when he was bashing on him. Brian has quite a few “nutswingers” of his own that do the same thing 8.(how bout that 65mustangfastback2+2) but when he felt threatened 9.he went to the mods, got my IP address and strated this thread- - and I was banned with no chance of rebuttle. Not that they would have listened, Brian is such a “good guy” and “member of the community”. Looking back, I was a newby to all the forums and really had no idea what was possible and how badly it looked for someone with such a low postcount to come out and bash a “SVT God” lol. Brian actually thought originally that I was Bobs wife Robyn posting under an alias but when he saw my name on Bobs site by the flow bench he put 2&2 together and called me out. Mother****er posted everything about me publicly including a link to my online resume with my email, home addy and my phone #. 10.All because he did’nt like me doing what he and his nutswingers do to Bob. I’ve done nothing worse than 65mustangfastback2+2 and many other Posi nutswingers have done yet I got my name and reputation trashed and he makes it look like Stiege was behind it all when in actuality Bob had no knowledge of what I was doing. Yeah, I foolishly thought I was some kind of ****ing internet Zorro lol.

11.Same time period, Stiege buys a “raceport”. # 18. Very amateur looking homeport. I suggest to Stiege that we test it against his port on the shop Cobra on Stieges Dynojet. All test were on the up and up with vids, graphs, datalogs and pics. Hands down Stieges port made more power. SVT removed the post and said he couldn’t put it up on their site . It’s on Stieges site and to this day Brian Hartlage (Posi) claims it is not his port, and even claims than Stiege “hacked up” a blower to make him look bad. I saw a lot of threats about this one including threats of legal action. Let me tell you though. It is a “raceport” form Posi Performance without a doubt. I’ve seen the blower and the receipt from purchase.

12.Bob had a problem with some of his early “Stage 5” blowers for the Cobras. The aluminum plate he added under the supercharger to improve airflow (his innovation that did work and Brian tried to copy this too) was made of too thin material and the wolds cracked. Posi exploited this way out of proportion and even posted under another members account pictures of a cracked plate that he made look worse by prying on it. Bob claims a lifetime warranty on these and offered to fix or remove any Stage 5 plate defecteve or not at no charge to the customer, even if they bought it used. Now that is customer service. Something Brian claims he excels at. Well, Posi acted like there were hundreds of these “time bombs” out ther waiting to destroy peoples motors. In reality, the plate, even if it did fall off, would only make nowse and restrict airflow because it couldn’t pass through the intercooler core. Bobs second design with improved materials and more weld say no problems or failures yet Posi lumped them all together an sid they were all defective and also claimed the plate made no difference in performance ( it actually increaded boost by 1 psi and added TQ and HP) all to make Stiege look bad. To this day I think Bob has fixed or removed around a couple dozen plates at the most, defective or not.

Posi tries to discredit sStiege on everything he doestrying not only to ride his coattails but to tear him down to make himself look better. 13.Posi has urged other members on SVTP to give Bob negative feedback yet no one has done so. He says the Snakebite dois’nt make any more power because it takes so much power to trun the gears (not true, plenty of 530+ RWHP Cobras and 600+ RWHP Shelby’s run them , which you normally can’t do upper only on these cars and Posi knows it), I also know of other company’s he has threatened and terrorized privately if they don’t sing his praises or sell/promote his ports.

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Now that Eaton has made a TVS style rotor for their superchargers, and a commpany porting out Eatons is making lightweight rotors for the original M112's, have you ever thought of toying with the idea of making a TVS style rotor for the M112 guys? Eaton doesnt make a TVS that the 03/04 Cobra guys can just swap right out, so I would think a new rotor design would be in the works somewhere.[/TD]
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Lightweight rotors are not released yet and if you drill a hole through a rotor it's going to warp and not be the EXACT shape it was before the hole was drilled. If a hole needed to be in a rotor then Eaton would have put it there before the outside (which is the most critical part) of the rotor was finished. The drill bit even if it's a gun drill is going to hit "stress points" as it's drilling or we'll even say like a "knot" on a tree. You hit that and relieve that stress that rotor is going to distort.

I have thought about a rotor but it would be way to expensive to have made for a case in the end that just wasn't designed for them. Then take into account all of the Eaton's that have been ported with the large outlets and mine are included in this. My thinking is those could not be used for a TVS or Twin Screw rotor swap. It would only need inlet porting only.[/TD]
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14.Doesn’t it seem funny after all this time that no “third party” has tested the Stiege and Posi ports back to back against each other? Well they have, but SVT won’t let them post the results because the are not in Posi’s favor.

Posi also claims that Stiege does “unnecessary” rebuilds on superchargers. Eaton Corporation thinks enough of Stegemeiers work to make them an Authorized Eaton Remanufacturer. Do you honestly think a company like Eaton would let just anyone do that? No. And to that claim of unnecessary rebuilds I could show you a pile of worn gears, galled shafts, rotors and cases. **** wears out people. Not everyone takes care of their superchargers plus many are spinning these blowers at nearly twice the speed they were designed to run with super tight belt tension to keep from getting belt slip. Posi claims that Stiegemeier “upsells” rebuilds to port customers when it’s actually the other way around. Many customers call to inquire about a rebuild and get upsold a port for improved efficiency and performance. 15.Posi claims Stiege is ripping people off doing these rebuilds yet he offers to “report” all Stieges ports on his site. Why would you want to “report” a supercharger that will already make 500 rwhp upper only? All the hard work is done and all Posi does is remove that “rib” I mentioned earlier.

16.Stiegemeier does so much more than port Cobra blowers. On any given day at his shop it’s no surprise to see a vintage Ferrari, GT40, or any other exotic. Last week he had a real 70 Hemi Superbird 4 speed. The reason customers bring their cars to Bob is he does quality work at a fair price. While I was there I witnessed a customer drop ship a 2011 Shelby GT500 directly to his shop to have it modified with a complete Snake Bite package before he had even seen the car! Many of his customers are repeat customers and he gets much of his work through referrals. A rip off artist isn’t going to get that kind of business or have customers trust him with their cars or refer them to their friends. Business’s don’t last very long if they do shoddy work or rip people off and Bob has been doing business for over 25 years. He’s ported heads for Tim McAmiss Pro Stock Championship car and done R&D for NASCAR teams. He’s worked with Rouch and Penske on their Nascar efforts in the past.

17.I’ve never experienced a business or businessperson that could blatantly rip off another business and then mercilessly try to ride them into the ground. What a business model! Posi Performance and Brian Hartlage FTL.

18.In conclusion I want to say that on this forum I've never bashed anyone and I've enjoyed helping others when I can and appreciated all the help I've recieved from others. To base your oppinion of me based on what this guy says would be a mistake I believe. I never once told anyone they had to buy anything from Bob, I only put the information out there to help others. To criticize this shop and never having done any business with them is shortsighted.

John Favazza

I'm going to make each response short and sweet to only prove you're a complete Liar. If you would like please let me know which # isn't detailed enough for you and I'll go farther.

1. Here's your case to the moderators on modularfords.com for you. You were following me around to hurt Posi Performance so just click here and read this 1 post please....Stiegemeier---Snakeoiler=John Favazza - Page 2 Oh shoot here's another Stiegemeier---Snakeoiler=John Favazza - Page 3 and this one from me on your attitude..Stiegemeier---Snakeoiler=John Favazza - Page 3

2. There are ZERO emails from me to them. You read nothing of the sort. There are also ZERO pm's to Bob about anything I needed to know about porting. Nothing, nada. Jake didn't ask for a free upgrade either he was actually pretty pissed off that he never hit the 500hp mark just like he was told by Bob. You say Jake posted it on the forums and I approached him on upgrading it? I told Jake and Larry at dinner in Maryland (who at the time held the record for a ported Eaton) that I would "find" more power in both of their Stage 4's because I already knew what I was doing after my 3rd port. I told them if I didn't get more power out of it at the Terminator Shootout that I would purchase them another Stage 4 port at my cost which opening Posi had never even been considered. The EGR delete was MY idea tested on the dyno. I had not recut the other Stage 4 parts yet. Pretty simple.

3. Follow me here I have an employee port my blowers to MY specs. Pretty simple. I didn't make any changes like you're saying I FINISHED the port job. Sorry it doesn't take me years to figure something easy out.

4. It's not a 5 million dollar business and you have NO right to say what I pay for anything thank you very much.

5. You've seen nothing of the sort because there isn't anything from me.

6. Sorry you have no right to get personal with me. My brother passed away from being bipolar/manic depressant and you have no clue what you're talking about.

7. Wrong.

8. He's someone that learned about Stieg and then became a customer. Pretty simple.

9. Yep you did it and GOT CAUGHT.

10. Um you worked in THEIR shop there's a big difference.

11. If that's a blower from Posi Performance I'll close up show now. On my very first port ever I at least cleaned up all casting finish inside the inlet. Hmm seems funny there's still some inside that one even though it's an actual Race Port. Yep not mine and it was a good blower that was hacked up in an attempt to hurt Posi Performance.

12. Would you like pictures of the early ones and the latest revised ones? If their latest ones worked then why did those plates stop appearing on blowers anyways? I proved it did NOTHING on the dyno more than once with same day testing. With my own design which was nothing close to theirs.

13. Svtp has a trader rating you moron lol. So yes I've posted for people to give their experience for his trader rating. It's called a trader rating for a reason. You add gears inside a supercharger then yes it costs hp to now turn them. Yet YOU INVENTED A BLOWER DYNO??? Hilarious! You know of no other companies sorry.

14. I upgrade their ports because they're not to my specs and customers pick up power. I'm sorry you're offended by this but I can't help it. When it's known they tell everyone "we recommend a snout rebuild if you send in your blower" then yes they're stealing money from customers in my opinion. A blower does not need a rebuild until at least 80,000 miles unless the customer says it's making noise or leaking. What would I know I've only done 340 ports (or so) and I've rebuilt around 30 with ZERO warranty claims. I offer a 1 year warranty on every blower that comes in without EVEN rebuilding it.

15. Sorry but that's the truth I simply find more power in their work or lack of it. There's more to porting than the EGR hump which saves time porting if anything.

16. Probably why a lot of people know about them huh?

17. I think I've proven this is the other way around and here YOU are on another forum doing it again. Notice how I've never made it personal with John Fivazza?

18. You never bashed anyone? I wasn't even a member and you bashed me.

 

[Posi Performance]

Seems funny I had this idea last year and knowing that nitrous basically does nothing to IAT2 or Downstream temps I never mocked one up. Maybe I let the thread die without my opinion on it for a reason.

Eaton Snout Idea?

 

[Posi Performance]

Re: Vemon Coolers (intercool your snout)

BTW, did you know I built a supercharger dynomometer? Yeah, I worked with an EE (retired from Boeing and IBM) on the software to map these superchargers (and others) to see the benefits of port design and the effects of heat and air density on their output. Here is a video link of me running it on Bobs website_- Dyno of Eaton Supercharger on SXF1000 - YouTube and it was constructed and designed completely by me to SAE J1723_199508 standards Superchargers - SAE Standards and I've done extensive testing with it. It's loud, you'd like it.

I guess Kenne Bell and Whipple don't know what they're talking about when they say you can't "dyno or flow" a supercharger. Oh by the way if a supercharger flows a lot it doesn't mean crap on the car. I test ON THE DYNO SAME DAY TESTING WITH THE CAR STAYING STRAPPED DOWN. That and the Track are the only 2 places to test imo. That's also why I don't have a flow bench. I don't sell AIR.

 

[Posi Performance]

Re: Vemon Coolers (intercool your snout)

I can also measure HP used to turn the SC based on amp load on the drive motor.

Yet you don't understand a Snakebite blower with internal gearing doesn't cost hp? You have the machine to test it. Or how about Stieg sells something that MAKES very high temps inside the snout 1st and then comes out with something to keep it cool but never says his Snakebite builds a ton of heat. Haha...

 

[Posi Performance]

Re: Vemon Coolers (intercool your snout)

Oh, we've done the testing, but why post the information when everyone hates and no one believes it anyway? I get tired of trying to defend my information against people who clearly don't even understand the principles involved. Everyones an internet expert if they've taken a dremel tool to their blower.

I say this because Bob has done actual chassis dyno testing (on a Dynojet 248X he owns) and flow bench testing (on a Superflow flowbench he owns) and it all comes down to people say it is'nt "third party" so it must be biased. Do you think it would be any better on a blower dyno only he owns? Bob does more testing than anyone in the business and validates all his parts and ports. He's tested a lot of big name aftermarket TB's that don't outflow his ported stockers but he won't say it on the web. For example, his Stage 1 and Stage 2 ported TB's for the GT500 outflow the L&M and the Ford Racing TB's but he won't come out and say it. I helped him do the testing and logged the data myself.

I'm really not sure why people bash on him so much, I have an idea it is a small group of very vocal people who have tried for years to make him look bad. POSI is one of them. Then I suppose it's fashionable to ride the bandwagon. When you've had as many customers as Bob has unfortunately you can't make everyone happy. As I'm sure you've seen on here, if someone has a problem with a supercharged car, invariably they blame the supercharger first. They may have inumerable other issues but it's always the supercharger to blame. If they send it in to get rebuilt/bearings replaced/and or ported and that does'nt fix the "problem" then they still blame the supercharger and the shop that did the work. I've seen it many times and then they'll take it to a shop and see they have ignition problems, fuel delivery problems, bad sensors etc. But it's easier to get on the interwebs and bash a popular shop.

I made the test bench portable so we could take it to trade shows and car shows but we've yet to do that. So for now we use it to further port development and to test customer blowers for bad bearings and such.

This thread has gotten way off topic and I'd like a mod to close it. I'm tired of the bashing and when I have data I might start another thread about it. It's not my thread though so maybe thats up to stlmo_gtp but I think he'd agree. BTW he's going twin charged and I'm waiting on my own intercooler to arrive so thats why we have'nt updated on the Venom Cooler. I will have one on my car however and I'm pretty sure Brian will too.

Nobody tests as much as me on the DYNO same day testing. Period.

I go out of my way to bad mouth Stieg? Nope. Funny how out of my 340 or so ports out in the field I've yet to have 1 customer call me unhappy with their port or the numbers I told them they would gain. Yeah keep blaming clutches because a lot of them have been replaced for no reason and yes I know this for a fact!

You can't flow a supercharger for gains on a car. How do you put the exact back pressure on it and many, many other variables to know what works and doesn't? They have a freakin dyno for crying out loud. Great and expensive toy to test bearings though. Good job.

 

[Posi Performance]

It's not complicated, it's actually very simple :th_toothless:.

The snout still has it's own oil supply but Stiege is adding an additional cavity around the front drive shaft to circulate coolant around the front drive. All this does is lower and stabilize temps of the supercharger. Many guys who run these on the Mustangs (Cobras and GT500's) road race and burn up their superchargers esp. if they pulley up for more boost and power. The Venom Cooler eliminates heat soak in these applications. It also eliminates the need to "ice down" your supercharger in between rounds of drag racing.

I don't see where I've overcomplicated this or made any claims of MORE POWER. I have'nt. This mod is simply to add reliabiltity to the supercharger in overdriven applications and eliminate heat soak which stabilizes the cars performance. Sorry if I misrepresented this . I will have data as soon as I get my system installed. Just got my intercooler yesterday so it will be pretty soon to have results. This product was not designed exclusively for the GTP, it's simply an option that has other applications. I think this "community" :th_dancingtrio: is making a bigger deal out of this than it warrants. Again, if you are not interested, DON'T BUY ONE :th_hammerhead2:.

AND, if the premise was'nt sound, GM and Whipple would'nt have pattent apps for thier own liquid cooled superchargers. So sniff that.



An unprofessional response to an unprofessional post. :th_farting:

So the surface area of the SNOUT to the ROTOR pack is larger than the surface area from the lower intake manifold or the bottom of the supercharger and the Venom Cooler wins out? Measure that and get back with us please.

 

[matt5112]

So the surface area of the SNOUT to the ROTOR pack is larger than the surface area from the lower intake manifold or the bottom of the supercharger and the Venom Cooler wins out? Measure that and get back with us please.

In our application with an intercooler, the blower doesnt come into contact with the lower intake manifold.

Namely because there was no factory intercooler.

Also note the intercooler core will typically be cooler than the blower. In my mild configuration there was a 20-30* F difference between the core and the blower case.