Intake Idea

[TheYanz]

Hey. I've been visiting this site for months more so kinda searching for stuff & never really was compelled to post anything. I pretty much found all my answers from reading everyone else's stuff (ESP ABOUT High LTFT's = Vac Leaks/ Bad tune 90% of the time Lol). I'm kinda curious about the intake setup. Anyone ever try to rig a strong sturdy, say 3.5", tube & zip tie it (REALLY WELL) to the underside of the driver's fender to kinda create a Ram Air effect? I've toyed with this idea a few times. Would that have any gains over a FWI where the filter is buried in there but not directly in the line of any incoming high velocity air at high highway speeds? Please nobody freak out on me! Yes, of course, there'd be some sort of filtering going on. Perhaps even cutting the tube at one point higher up in the fender, slipping some of that material from those crappy stock drop in filters, recoonecting the tube, then taping it all up really well with that heat resistant aluminum tape. I saw the ZZP dyno test or whatever with the diff setups/ lengths/ filters/ angles of kits. But that wasn't a road test with any incoming air at very high velocities, was it? Stand still Dyno, no? Perhaps I'm not understanding what exactly happens @ WOT. Wouldn't what I'm suggesting just ram a ton more air up the tube, through the throttle body, & into the SC? No good? Would it perhaps lean out the mixture like crazy? Maybe the 24-25 PSI (+8-11 added PSI) more than enough for the SC to suck in a sufficient amount of air to compress?

 

[Fivefingerdeathpunch]

you can make whatever intake you want to. Fenderwall intakes are dumb because the filter always gets wet and ruins it faster. Just make a open cone intake off the throttle body, there is really no difference between cold air and hot air because the supercharger heats the air up anyway.

Making a ram air style intake wont shove more air into the supercharger. The cars determines the air flow needed by the maf sensor and o2's and some other stuff.

 

[matt5112]

Hey. I've been visiting this site for months more so kinda searching for stuff & never really was compelled to post anything. I pretty much found all my answers from reading everyone else's stuff (ESP ABOUT High LTFT's = Vac Leaks/ Bad tune 90% of the time Lol). I'm kinda curious about the intake setup. Anyone ever try to rig a strong sturdy, say 3.5", tube & zip tie it (REALLY WELL) to the underside of the driver's fender to kinda create a Ram Air effect?

For 0.2 PSI at 80 MPH, its not worth it.

I've toyed with this idea a few times. Would that have any gains over a FWI where the filter is buried in there but not directly in the line of any incoming high velocity air at high highway speeds?

on a dyno sure, but you'll probably never the difference between any of the intake setups.

Please nobody freak out on me! Yes, of course, there'd be some sort of filtering going on.

If you dont run a good filter, you're going to destroy your motor.

Perhaps even cutting the tube at one point higher up in the fender, slipping some of that material from those crappy stock drop in filters, recoonecting the tube, then taping it all up really well with that heat resistant aluminum tape. I saw the ZZP dyno test or whatever with the diff setups/ lengths/ filters/ angles of kits. But that wasn't a road test with any incoming air at very high velocities, was it? Stand still Dyno, no? Perhaps I'm not understanding what exactly happens @ WOT. Wouldn't what I'm suggesting just ram a ton more air up the tube, through the throttle body, & into the SC? No good?

You won't notice the difference between different intakes.

Would it perhaps lean out the mixture like crazy? Maybe the 24-25 PSI (+8-11 added PSI) more than enough for the SC to suck in a sufficient amount of air to compress?

you should NEVER see more than 15 PSI on a highly modified 3800 from an M90.

If your have a stock valvetrain and heads, 10 PSI is about all you want to see.

Making a ram air style intake wont shove more air into the supercharger. The cars determines the air flow needed by the maf sensor and o2's and some other stuff.

Ram air will increase pressure by 0.2 psi at 80 mph.

So it does.

But not by much at all.

Car determines how much air is entering the motor via sensors. Your explanation suggest the car decides how much air it wants then takes that.

But your intake DOES affect the volume of air entering the motor.

 

[blueguy]

Hey. I've been visiting this site for months more so kinda searching for stuff & never really was compelled to post anything. I pretty much found all my answers from reading everyone else's stuff (ESP ABOUT High LTFT's = Vac Leaks/ Bad tune 90% of the time Lol). I'm kinda curious about the intake setup. Anyone ever try to rig a strong sturdy, say 3.5", tube & zip tie it (REALLY WELL) to the underside of the driver's fender to kinda create a Ram Air effect? I've toyed with this idea a few times. Would that have any gains over a FWI where the filter is buried in there but not directly in the line of any incoming high velocity air at high highway speeds? Please nobody freak out on me! Yes, of course, there'd be some sort of filtering going on. Perhaps even cutting the tube at one point higher up in the fender, slipping some of that material from those crappy stock drop in filters, recoonecting the tube, then taping it all up really well with that heat resistant aluminum tape. I saw the ZZP dyno test or whatever with the diff setups/ lengths/ filters/ angles of kits. But that wasn't a road test with any incoming air at very high velocities, was it? Stand still Dyno, no? Perhaps I'm not understanding what exactly happens @ WOT. Wouldn't what I'm suggesting just ram a ton more air up the tube, through the throttle body, & into the SC? No good? Would it perhaps lean out the mixture like crazy? Maybe the 24-25 PSI (+8-11 added PSI) more than enough for the SC to suck in a sufficient amount of air to compress?

Que senor?

 

[matt5112]

moved to the correct section.

please pay attention to where you are posting.

 

[mechguy]

...there is really no difference between cold air and hot air because the supercharger heats the air up anyway.

Making a ram air style intake wont shove more air into the supercharger. The cars determines the air flow needed by the maf sensor and o2's and some other stuff.

I take a firm stand against this. The SC does detrimentaly heat the air. But guess what, putting denser (colder) air in the SC means you are pushing that many more molecules into the engine. Which is much better.

Anybody not believing, has not put the pedal down during a cold winter day.

 

[matt5112]

You can get traction with all of the salt on the road?

 

[mechguy]

Sometimes you get a late fall day prior to snow when its single digit *F.

 

[jteske88]

I was thinkIng for ram Air take grills out and legthing them
Into a pickup witch would run Into a air box setup been trying to get time to
Get my bumper off zoo I can start the process

 

[TheYanz]

Hey MechGuy the fastest I've ever seen my Car run has def been on such nights. Not so much in the winter but from what I recall always in the fall & at night. My car's not nearly as quick during the day with all the heavy, humid, sun-heated air & all that damn traffic everywhere. I think everyone's got memories of those memorable super quick runs over the years. Just happens that all my memories are in the FALL & AT NIGHT. Period. Yes, yes, I know... colder air = more compressed air molecules = more power.

 

[gtcoup]

^x2. sometimes i feel like my se tore harder than my gt. but i had that car sept. to the end of dec before i wrecked it. coldest time of the year up here tho

 

[Scottydoggs]

Sometimes you get a late fall day prior to snow when its single digit *F.

the loudest my s/c ever whined was dead of night after a snow storm like 3 or 4 deg's out, with a stock air box it was so loud and pulled like a mofo, so i parked it before i broke it. lol

really cold temps is when stuff breaks i learned that a long time ago as i've snow plowed for 20 years, the cold kills parts.

 

[TheYanz]

Yup... A dude I used to work with years ago told me that. Almost word for word wat u just said. Most ppl will tell u Start it up, lit it sit for a short while (not too long since GTPs already get pretty bad mpgs, usually even worse in winters) like a minute or 2, then drive off REAL slow & no racing or gunning it whatsoever till the dash temp gauge is on the move & nears the operating temp. IMO good luck if u have a 160* thermo in the winters, especially MidWest winters, Lol. That sh*t'll be tryin' to reach operating temp permanently from what I hear. I run a 180* year round... No such probs in winter. Finally getting my Beast custom tuned on Sat. Consider this the summer tune. I'll prolly need to go back in a few months to get it tuned for cold weather. Haha... I remember Nike had ACG apparel/ shoes (All Conditions Gear). I'm looking to eventually have an all conditions tune that will run optimal year round. Bad ass ... I'm VERY anxious to see just how much a good solid custom tune will wake it up. According to others guess I'm very fortunate that ZZP off the shelf tune didn't blow my sh*t up Lol! (I'm sorry BlueGTP91. That sucks, man. I'd be irate if that happened to my baby. I've seen ur many posts about them & their PCMs. Custom tune time!!!)