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TDCRacing
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i am about to port it and was just wondering if i could leave it off for maybe a little better ailflow.i know it is suppose to even out airflow but just wanted to make sure it wont have any side affects.tia
IndeedSS
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The quick answer is leave it on. The MAF needs that screen so it's calculations won't be skewed.
Zef_66
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Yes, you can remove the TB screen. Should you? Nope. People starting doing that a couple years ago because they thought it would improve the air flow. While it does do that, it will allow the incoming air to create turbulence and cause erratic MAF sensor readings. So while your car may run a little better because of a very small amount of air extra, it will run worse because it won't be able to meter the air accurately.
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TDCRacing
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Just took the screen out and reasembled everything and drove it around and it killed at least 4 times every time i stoped/floored it then let off to an idle.looks llike you been talkin to the wrong people.
I didnt mean to sound like a butt hole but i figured i would just try it for myself and see.Thanks for quick responses.:th_thumb-up:
IndeedSS
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Just took the screen out and reasembled everything and drove it around and it killed at least 4 times every time i stoped/floored it then let off to an idle.looks llike you been talkin to the wrong people.
No surprise to most of us. Glad you tested it for yourself.
Apparently some turbo guy even make screens out of screen door replacement material to straighten out airflow and have founds gains in doing so.
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TDCRacing
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Really?? Wow thats cool! hey check out my zzp down pipe post i have another question for u guys! it's in the v6 supercharged forum
s1795so2
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way to open another can of worms, haha. I have been guilty of it a couple of times though.
This debate could rage on and on, as it is a huge debate among gm ls based/lq truck owners (aka silverado 4.8/5.3/6.0) to gain a minute performance for no money whatsoever. Jist of it is that there is proof that it gains performance and there is proof that it loses performance, so most people just leave it on for the fact that it doesn't hurt anything as far as hp (maybe 1-2 at most).
I would leave it on for the simple fact that most people agree that it doesn't hurt anything.
In case you want even more info it is discussed almost daily on ls1tech.com in the 5.3 truck section and fullsizechevy.com also pretty regular and I know they have dyno sheets to support both ends of the "argument".
This debate could rage on and on, as it is a huge debate among gm ls based/lq truck owners (aka silverado 4.8/5.3/6.0) to gain a minute performance for no money whatsoever. Jist of it is that there is proof that it gains performance and there is proof that it loses performance, so most people just leave it on for the fact that it doesn't hurt anything as far as hp (maybe 1-2 at most).
I would leave it on for the simple fact that most people agree that it doesn't hurt anything.
In case you want even more info it is discussed almost daily on ls1tech.com in the 5.3 truck section and fullsizechevy.com also pretty regular and I know they have dyno sheets to support both ends of the "argument".
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TDCRacing
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:th_laugh-pointup: true....
IndeedSS
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There is a book called Engine Management Advanced Tuning by Greg Banish. Greg is a GM OEM Calibration Engineer. His book is a great read. Referencing this subject, checkout pages 25 though 28 on the MAF sensor. He talks about the removal of the laminar screens.:th_winking:
Going Too Phast
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Oh man. Don't post info about tempting technical books. My wallet doesn't like that.
IndeedSS
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It is a very good book. IIRC, it wasn't very expensive through Amazon. Print is large and there is a lot of pictures. The text will be basic for more experienced people, as for me I still find myself going back to look things over.I would love to go take one of his 2 day tuning seminars.
The book:
Amazon.com: Greg Banish: Books
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David99GTP
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I would love to go take one of his 2 day tuning seminars.
The book:
Amazon.com: Greg Banish: Books
Thanks, I'd like to get a little more informed on the subject. I'll look it up on amazon :th_thumb-up:
Zef_66
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So for those of us that are not going to by the book, what does it say about it?
IndeedSS
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Basically, that the airflow is turbulent and does not flow the same across the MAF. The screen smooths or averages out the flow across the MAF. The most gain seen was 4HP and that was on a V8. If the airflow across the MAF is not accurate your tune will not be correct. My poor excuse for a reader digest version of 3 pages of good information on the operation of the MAF.
I remember seeing you in a lot of threads about tuning pertaining to the PT. I figured you more than anyone else would find this book interesting.
Zef_66
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I am sure I would find it interesting, but I don't have the time to sit down and read anymore. Unless I could somehow find it on tape, then I could listen to it in the car while I am driving to and from work!
But yeah, I am sure it would be a great read, and great info, I just don't have the time to sit down and do it. Too many other projects to work on.
IndeedSS
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I understand the limited time...it's my bathroom reading now...I highly recommend that book to anyone, especially those interested in the hows and whys of modern engine management. There is way too much inaccurate information being handed out by those pretending to know precisely what they are talking about. I've been victim of said advice in the past.
...I highly recommend that book to anyone, especially those interested in the hows and whys of modern engine management. There is way too much inaccurate information being handed out by those pretending to know precisely what they are talking about. I've been victim of said advice in the past.