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HELP with LSD

Sherif41119

Sherif41119

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I am trying to get some info on LSD. I have a 2000 GTP with a MP112 and stage 3 heads. (lots of other good stuff inside). As you can imagine the trany didn't like all this power. I am getting ready to have it rebuilt. My question is should I get a LSD?
I am not going to track it very much, (Just once this year I think) It will be more of a fair weather driver. The few times I did get on it. Both wheels left the same marks and I didn't have bad torque steer. So if it pulls good why spend the money for a LSD?
And if it needs one, what kind? I had found a Intense 3rd gen on clubgp for $370.00. After I talked with the guy that has it he told me to check out his post on another site. When they started talking about the LSD from Intanse all they said was its junk. It will not last. Should I spend the money or just stay with the factory one. Craig
 


I wouldnt use one, and I wont warranty any of my rebuilt transmissions with one being used either. The ONLY way I would recommend one is if it was a limited use weekend/strip car that didnt get many miles put on it. The problem with the LSD diffs as that they are just modified stock HD differentials but have a lot of side loading/wear behind the side gears in the diff. There are clutches added behind the gears and there is a spring pack in the center of the diff to preload the side gears into the clutches. During normal every day driving any time you turn the steering wheel one wheel will turn at a different speed than the other and this causes wear on the clutches. In a rear wheel drive car the differentials are designed with multiple clutch plates and also have at least 80/90 weight gear lube, auto transmissions have ATF with roughly 7 weight fluid that doesnt stay on the parts like a heavier bodied fluid so this is also working against them. The GM/Torsen style diff would be the best LSD to go with but are very expensive and hard to get. Any of the clutch type modified stock type differentials are just not the best route to go. Also from the wear on the side gears, cross pin, and clutches it will add more debris in the trans fluid. My advise is to use the stock diff or take out a small loan for a GM racing unit lol.
 
Trannyman95 said:
During normal every day driving any time you turn the steering wheel one wheel will turn at a different speed than the other and this causes wear on the clutches.
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So is this the cause of the problems with these things? If you put one in a drag only car you might be okay? ZZP has their squirter deal and they don't seem to be having issues with stock diffs.
 
Sherif41119 said:
I am trying to get some info on LSD. I have a 2000 GTP with a MP112 and stage 3 heads. (lots of other good stuff inside). As you can imagine the trany didn't like all this power. I am getting ready to have it rebuilt. My question is should I get a LSD?
I am not going to track it very much, (Just once this year I think) It will be more of a fair weather driver. The few times I did get on it. Both wheels left the same marks and I didn't have bad torque steer. So if it pulls good why spend the money for a LSD?
And if it needs one, what kind? I had found a Intense 3rd gen on clubgp for $370.00. After I talked with the guy that has it he told me to check out his post on another site. When they started talking about the LSD from Intanse all they said was its junk. It will not last. Should I spend the money or just stay with the factory one. Craig
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trannyman won't say it, cuz he's a good guy, but i will... why arent you going to him for your rebuild? eh, yeah i know you dont have to, at all.. but i'd look his site over, at least :D
 


I overlooked the rebuild part lol. Some guys have a local builder that they prefer which is fine and if you or your builder needs any help or has questions let me know.
 
Trannyman95 said:
I overlooked the rebuild part lol. Some guys have a local builder that they prefer which is fine and if you or your builder needs any help or has questions let me know.
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If their builder has questions the tansmission probably should have gone to you in the first place.:)

See this is the kind of service provider that needs to be supported.
 
DerekD said:
He probably has. He's a sponsor on our local site here in Indy.

Btw, that's Triple Edge Performance - Home Page :)
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I did think about it, but I have a guy I have used for some of other TOYS.(87GN, 93 Typhoon) and they worked great. I have not had a FWD with this much power before. HE used to be a GM Tech that went out on his own.All he does is GM tranys. If it does not hold up I will give him a call. Craig
 
Sherif41119 said:
I did think about it, but I have a guy I have used for some of other TOYS.(87GN, 93 Typhoon) and they worked great. I have not had a FWD with this much power before. HE used to be a GM Tech that went out on his own.All he does is GM tranys. If it does not hold up I will give him a call. Craig
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ooooh


me likeys your other toys

you should post pics!
 
Toasty said:
ooooh


me likeys your other toys

you should post pics!
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I agree. Pics or Ban, your choice.








I wouldnt really ban you for not posting pics. Now Toasty on the other hand, thats a different story. Im just waiting for him to stumble so I just assist him on out the door.







Well actually thats not true either. :D
 


SyntheticShield said:
I agree. Pics or Ban, your choice.








I wouldnt really ban you for not posting pics. Now Toasty on the other hand, thats a different story. Im just waiting for him to stumble so I just assist him on out the door.







Well actually thats not true either. :D
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heh... i'd take my writeups and connector part numbers with meeee


:D:D
 
Naw cuz. Ive been to Chicago before, Id hunt you down and we go down around 600 Federal Street and visit the Sears tower and see if man can really fly. :D



Feelin' any love yet.
 
Trannyman95 said:
Have you ever been to fort wayne? You mention 87 GN and sparked my curiousity!
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No I have never been to Fort Wayne. I sold the GN a few years ago. (Yes I know it was STUPID. I got it from a Estate sale, It was a one owner with 42K miles on it. It had been sitting outside for 5 yrs down in Brown County. The old man that bought it loved it but his estate was messed up. After I bought it, it took almost a year to get the title.) I will try and scan my pictures of the GN and Typhoon and get them in here this weekend. Craig
 


Ahh Ok, just thought I would ask. There is a guy named Craig around here with an 87 GN that is drop dead gorgeous and he brings out the car a few times a year where the car guys hang out. It is a high-mid 10 second car but doesnt get much street time.
 
Trannyman95 said:
I wouldnt use one, and I wont warranty any of my rebuilt transmissions with one being used either. The ONLY way I would recommend one is if it was a limited use weekend/strip car that didnt get many miles put on it. The problem with the LSD diffs as that they are just modified stock HD differentials but have a lot of side loading/wear behind the side gears in the diff. There are clutches added behind the gears and there is a spring pack in the center of the diff to preload the side gears into the clutches. During normal every day driving any time you turn the steering wheel one wheel will turn at a different speed than the other and this causes wear on the clutches. In a rear wheel drive car the differentials are designed with multiple clutch plates and also have at least 80/90 weight gear lube, auto transmissions have ATF with roughly 7 weight fluid that doesnt stay on the parts like a heavier bodied fluid so this is also working against them. The GM/Torsen style diff would be the best LSD to go with but are very expensive and hard to get. Any of the clutch type modified stock type differentials are just not the best route to go. Also from the wear on the side gears, cross pin, and clutches it will add more debris in the trans fluid. My advise is to use the stock diff or take out a small loan for a GM racing unit lol.
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amen.

This man speaks the truth. Just stick with stock...its a sure deal. You start playing with them...it winds up costing you much more in the long run. I agree with your quote above 100%.

As for the "diff. squirter" its just really installed as a way to keep pressurized fluid volume on the diff. while spinning during a burn out...but it stays on all the time, which is a nice thing too, keeps parts cooler if a "one wheel Charlie" decides to happen.

What I don't like about the way ZZP went with their design of the squirter. Installed it internally, which is nice, avoids some problems, but how they plumbed in the squirter's main feed line to a stock hard line...being brazed on like that...I don't feel comfortable with that myself.

I would do mine externally, running the line from the pressure test port on the top of the transmission, where we all connect our temperature gauge sender, running the line down the back side of the tranny, and tapping into the back side of the diff. cover. Of course it would all be high pressure AN lines and fittings used no question about that.

Thats just me though.

~F~
 
Farnsworth, there was someone on ClubGP that was trying just that. In fact he made one up and I got pics of it actually because he was going to sell a kit.

I think the concern became how to regulate the fluid flow. Would not the fluid coming out of the pressure port take away fluid flow from the rest of the tranny? In other words, would it not starve for fluid in other places? He was going to try and work on some type of pressure regulator, but I never found out what happened after that.

Any thoughts on that from either your or Trannyman?
 
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