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Rockers vs Headers ?

and sometimes crossover doesnt fit correctly and have to be forced to fit(like mine)bash in the firewall for the o2 sensor(like mine) and bend the a/c line(like mine).
it was still worth saving the $400 though
 


Most modded cars on this site run SD. Just look in the signatures of the people in this thread. They will work fine, and if you're serious about modding, you'll need that $400.

Hell, Buy the SD, save the $400ish and STILL BUY THE ROCKERS.
Have your cake and eat it too...
 
Thanks for the input and steering me in the right direction guys, looking forward to upgrading in the near future.
 
I'd buy a 3" downpipe.

Maybe a PLOG.

Then modded 1.9's and LS6 or L76 springs.

Then pulley down and tune it.

Enjoy 50~ more WHP.
 


We had a ton of struggles with clamp leaks too, and the car failed inspection more than once because it "sounded like it was leaking". I wish I'd gotten the good stuff, I feel like I wasted my money by trying to save money. Everyone's different I guess.
 


GTPpower said:
TOG's>ZZP's
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Nick we're destined to disagree on things!

I switched 2 vehicles from TOGs (1 TOG Xtremes) to ZZP headers and both lost 1 PSI from the extra flow.

The pipes were never aligned properly with the head ports on any TOG header I've looked at.

My ceramic coated Xtremes started rusting and never stopped.

I also hated the leaks from the donut gasket connections, was constantly removing customer's headers, straightening the flanges, replacing the donuts and reinstalling them.
 
Overkill said:
Nick we're destined to disagree on things!

I switched 2 vehicles from TOGs (1 TOG Xtremes) to ZZP headers and both lost 1 PSI from the extra flow.

The pipes were never aligned properly with the head ports on any TOG header I've looked at.

My ceramic coated Xtremes started rusting and never stopped.

I also hated the leaks from the donut gasket connections, was constantly removing customer's headers, straightening the flanges, replacing the donuts and reinstalling them.
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Haha. The reason I like togs better, is because they are all flange connections. Not that you would ever have a problem with slip fit connections, I like the simplicity of flanges over slip fit for removing and reinstalling.
 


Soooo it seems like either speed daddy or ZZP headers first and that depends on how much screwing around I want to do vs. amount of money to save. . .Since I hate having to do things over again, ZZP headers are gonna be my choice.
 
sd headers fit all 3800's regardless what the listing says.

and i did rockers before headers, tossed a U bend delete in and had no KR with a stock pulley still. i was at 8* of kr before the rockers and u bend delete.
 
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