ericspecullaas
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^^ why did you respond to your self? just wondering
Further degradation of the 3800 scene.
- Thread starter SnowFlake
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Slick2500
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Because racecar.
Turbocharged400sbc
New member
it was just an afterthought and something was acting wonky with the the forum
itsCOMPlicated
New member
OP - Exactly right. A bunch of the "companies", that say these parts are "theirs", are lying.
Especially when the business is actually a garage.
LOL
Especially when the business is actually a garage.
LOL
itsCOMPlicated
New member
I said the same thing to him 2 years ago and was kicked off ClubGP.
We wouldn't want the secret coming out. He makes it sound like he built these, by saying "our'. The ONLY reason he can legally say "our', is because he bought them. Not because he manufactured them
We wouldn't want the secret coming out. He makes it sound like he built these, by saying "our'. The ONLY reason he can legally say "our', is because he bought them. Not because he manufactured them
Z34Phoenix
Florida Tuner
when i first saw the WBS headers i thought they were just a hybrid between PS and the SD/ssac headers. I have speed daddy headers and i must be one of the lucky ones as i had and have no issues with mine except for not liking the u bend on the down pipe. I agree with what was said before, if a vendor would say "hey we are going to get a bunch of these headers and fix them and sell them marked up" people will buy them. triple the is crazy. but 300-450 depending on how much work is being done could be a fair price.
as for proof. the pictures are pretty damning, but again they could be just copied... but not sure why anyone would copy that design if making some from scratch. i would think a design similar to ZZP would be the result. the true proof may never come to light as the people who bought the wbs headers arent coming forward with more pics and shipping invoices and the vendor is just walking around the questions.
the main point to take away from this thread...
*** buyer beware. origin and quality are unconfirmed. there for their value at $600 is in question. ***
as for proof. the pictures are pretty damning, but again they could be just copied... but not sure why anyone would copy that design if making some from scratch. i would think a design similar to ZZP would be the result. the true proof may never come to light as the people who bought the wbs headers arent coming forward with more pics and shipping invoices and the vendor is just walking around the questions.
the main point to take away from this thread...
*** buyer beware. origin and quality are unconfirmed. there for their value at $600 is in question. ***
Pure2sin
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Just wanted to state that most of Snowflakes posts in this thread are incorrect. He was (possibly) still is under the impression that the CURRENT headers in question looked like this picture below.
Again, those are not the headers he was claiming had bad welds.
If you look the actual headers are in the for sale section and from this thread:
http://www.grandprixforums.net/showthread.php?t=85152
And look like this:
Why is this important?
-Because he stated that the (R&D) was fraud and that the picture on the Website was not what the person received even though it's EXACTLY what they received. The welds have been show to be bad but that customer is still in contact with WBS to possibly get a refund or exchange.
-If you look at WBS current design you can see how much modification goes into the current WBS headers. They still use a version of Speed Daddy headers that are not sold anymore but the modifications are still there:
This is what the old design looked like from Speed Daddy:
You can see that this is a better design than the current Speed Daddy headers even though Snowflake will tell you his will "work" just as good.
The main point is that yes the welds of the bad headers in question looked like crap but he did get exactly what was pictured on the website. There is also a lot more modification to the current version of the WBS headers than what Snowflake was claiming by posting that first disingenuous picture.
Again, those are not the headers he was claiming had bad welds.
If you look the actual headers are in the for sale section and from this thread:
http://www.grandprixforums.net/showthread.php?t=85152
And look like this:
Why is this important?
-Because he stated that the (R&D) was fraud and that the picture on the Website was not what the person received even though it's EXACTLY what they received. The welds have been show to be bad but that customer is still in contact with WBS to possibly get a refund or exchange.
-If you look at WBS current design you can see how much modification goes into the current WBS headers. They still use a version of Speed Daddy headers that are not sold anymore but the modifications are still there:
This is what the old design looked like from Speed Daddy:
You can see that this is a better design than the current Speed Daddy headers even though Snowflake will tell you his will "work" just as good.
The main point is that yes the welds of the bad headers in question looked like crap but he did get exactly what was pictured on the website. There is also a lot more modification to the current version of the WBS headers than what Snowflake was claiming by posting that first disingenuous picture.
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Slick2500
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If you actually payed any attention to the first post you would know that someone else posted that image on Facebook saying their wbs headers showed up. And that was what started this whole debate. Those are not the ones that were later posted showing the **** welds.
Sent from A Galaxy Far Far Away........
Sent from A Galaxy Far Far Away........
Pure2sin
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Yeah those headers (in the first picture) are from someone who got them second hand from someone else. Who knows how old they are.
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Bio248
DUI BABY
based on his tenure in the community (since before this site existed), i think he has a little bit of right to say the things on his mind. apparently you're a whiner.
SnowFlake
Banned
The problem with that is he's hellbent against me and also very lost in this header debacle.
Case in point, WildGS confirmed (along with Mike) that the headers in the OP are WBS headers.
Pure2sin has posted a quote that was before he confirmed everything and is now irrelevant.
Mike is also very confused as to what he's currently selling, because he's lazy and doesn't really care about it enough to find out.
He said he could put up pictures of SHO headers and people would still buy them because they do what he says they do.
it seems he isn't quite sure which design they are and which primary size they are.
Pure2sin also argues that one WBS header design is better than the other.
It's irrelevant. Just because one set from China requires more modifying to 'fit' doesn't mean it's better than the other set that, let's face it, doesn't require ANY modification to 'fit'.
I could argue that the 1 5/8th primaries are better for most setups than the 1 3/4 primaries. But again, it's irrelevant... what's relevant is that he's taking china headers and touting them as the best.
Now people know what they're buying if they choose to buy from WBS, which is what the entire point of this was.
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Pure2sin
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I already stated that they were WBS headers. The fact is that those are an old design and not purchased any time recently.
So in other words. You just backtracked on most of everything you said except for the possibility that WBS sources the base of their headers from China even though you don't have any proof of that.
My not liking people that act like you has nothing to do with it.
I am just pointing out the facts behind what you are claiming to be true, which is a distortion of the truth. Either you don't do enough research or you purposefully mislead people in order to prove your cause.
Lets be fair though about shipping and customer service though. ZZP doesn't exactly have the best reputation either but I don't see you bringing them up or creating a movement to sideline that company.
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Scottydoggs
Killa Bee
fact still stand tho, these new WBS headers are not worth 600 bucks.
what this whole thread comes down too. not the old, but these new china made crap being passed off as the end all header to buy. says so right on the web site....lol
what this whole thread comes down too. not the old, but these new china made crap being passed off as the end all header to buy. says so right on the web site....lol