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car wont let me turn it off??

02blackgpgt

02blackgpgt

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Ok so the last few days when i throw the car in park and go to turn the key to the off position sometimes it wont go all the way to off and let me take the key out. If i have my foot on the brake it will let me change the gears into reverse or whatever but the engine isnt running but its like the car thinks it is. If i crank it back up and turn it off it usually will, or if i throw it into reverse and back into park it will. About a week ago i put in a hpt reprogrammed pcm but it seems to be running fine. Could that be the cause? if it makes a difference i didnt do a case learn when i put in the pcm but i read in various places i didnt have to. I dont think its that big of a problem but i dont really know and i dont want to let it turn into a big problem. Thanks for any help!

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I wouldn't worry about it. More than likely its a worn out tumbler. My 91 pickup didn't even need keys. As long as you didn't put it in the locked position you were good to go. Half the time I didn't have the keys with me. I wish all my cars were like that!
 
Remove the plug under the ignition module on the bottom of the column. Grab a writing pen and stick it into the hole until you feel a click. They key should be able to be removed now.
 
i can get the key out if i mess with it for a minute i just need to know whats causing it. can i get a tumbler at autozone? are they universal or vehicle specific?
 
sounds like the tumbler to me. they get worn out. DO you have alot of keys on your key ring. The extra weight causes tumblers to wear out sooner.
 
It's not the tumbler...

The problem (which you can tell GM knew about when they made the thing) is that over time, heat warps/damages the solenoid which engages/disengages into the tumbler to prevent the key from being removed/rotated...

My GP has had the problem since I got it (when I got it the key was stuck in the cylinder). I was able to remove the key using the pen trick, and now I've gotten it so I can get the key out while in any position (ACC/RUN/START), and to get it into OFF I stick the key into the hole in the bottom of the shaft cover and rotate the cylinder the last 1/4 turn...
 


Panther- now that you mention it i do remember hearing that somewhere and yes i have alot if **** on my key ring.

Street- ahh good ol gm quality. but i want to fix it cause i cant stand having things wrong with the car. is one easier to replace than the other (the solenoid/tumbler) or should i just go ahead and do both?
 
You know I have been saying the same thing for almost a year, and I have been to the Jyard probably 100+ times to look for the solenoid, and I always forget to pull one...

From what I've seen looking at my own column, the solenoid mounts to the tumbler almost by sliding on.

As for the tumbler, I haven't ever replaced one on a car, but I used to replace them on residential and commercial doors.

You should be able to get the tumbler off by removing some type of retaining ring from the cam that is behind it. Once you get it out, depending on if it is shrouded or not, you should have access to the pins. If the tumbler is shrouded, it will make life much easier, as you wont have to worry about pins falling out.

If there is no shroud, be careful, as the pins will spring out all over the place if you do not cover the pin holes.

To remove the tumbler from the shroud (if there is one). Place a dowel rod or pipe that is the same size at the rear of the tumbler and use it to push the tumbler out.

Re-installation should be the reverse of removal.

:th_radioactive: If pins pop out, etc... Stick your key in the tumbler and place the pins, spacers (if any) and place them so that they lie flat when the key is fully inserted.

If you get a tumbler from the Jyard, try to grab up as many pins (from other GM cars) as you can in case you need to replace worn/damaged pins or happen to lose some.

I'm not sure of the type of pins GM uses, but most tumblers use pointed (raised center) pins, which can wear flat over time.
 
back from the dead....

thanks for the good info street. can you or anyone else tell me how to take apart the column to get to it? maybe some pics if you have any? ive put it off long enough hoping it would just go away now i guess i have to actually fix it...
 
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