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i agree, the new twin charge setup from zzp is pretty badass, but it will never beat a single turbo setup.

turbo is the only way to go for a rediculously fast grand prix without taking the car apart to lose weight.
 
Can you say NA. Ya I said it Naturally Aspirated is the best.
I just hate because I not have.lol
 


wouldnt you guys say that a sc car can go faster on less hp then a turbo because of the lowend of a sc? or am i just crazy?
 
turbo has low end and top end. and if your shift point is in the right spot there is no difference anyway snice youll shift back into the powerband.
 
Turbo without a doubt has the best potential, but doing a Turbo sometimes isn't as easy as bolting on a kit like many have experianced on the other board. Seems like people have PCV issues to work out, running catch cans, etc to get everything just right.

Not only that, but you damn near have to have a GMR 1" chain in your tranny, not to mention all the hard parts and preferably a GMR diff. With the GMR 1" chain being discontined, its going to suck for future turbo guys going through 15/16" and 7/8" chains all the time.

Next thing I personally think you need to run a high powered and realible (keyword: REAILIBLE) turbo setup is having a built block with at least forged slugs on the bottom end. Again many have experianced chunking pistons left and right with full intercooled even alky setups. People don't seem to realize that the stock pistons are only so strong and forged is really the way to go, especially on a DD/track car. Yes I know ZZP runs stock bottom ends, but I guarantee a couple of there most notable cars are rarely see DD duty and you know they've replaced many bottom ends over the years racing them. Nothing complares to a durable properly built bottom end for realiable power.
 


forged pistons will take just as much damage as regular ones if youre knocking. they break too. if youre not knocking, then you wont have any problems.
 
Iron Indian said:
Not only that, but you damn near have to have a GMR 1" chain in your tranny, not to mention all the hard parts and preferably a GMR diff. With the GMR 1" chain being discontined, its going to suck for future turbo guys going through 15/16" and 7/8" chains all the time.

Next thing I personally think you need to run a high powered and realible (keyword: REAILIBLE) turbo setup is having a built block with at least forged slugs on the bottom end. Again many have experianced chunking pistons left and right with full intercooled even alky setups. People don't seem to realize that the stock pistons are only so strong and forged is really the way to go, especially on a DD/track car. Yes I know ZZP runs stock bottom ends, but I guarantee a couple of there most notable cars are rarely see DD duty and you know they've replaced many bottom ends over the years racing them. Nothing complares to a durable properly built bottom end for realiable power.
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ZZP has 20 sets of 1" chains ready to be purcha$ed and might be working on a deal to get a manufacturer to do more of them, but I doubt they sell 20 chains out in the next few years.

Forged is expensive and its just insurance, stock blocks go for cheap these days and can take the power, just no the knock. I agree it's easier said than done though.

Bio248 said:
i agree, the new twin charge setup from zzp is pretty badass, but it will never beat a single turbo setup.
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Twin charged will always be better than a single turbo setup but is damn expensive and a whole new tuning experience.

chrisb said:
wouldnt you guys say that a sc car can go faster on less hp then a turbo because of the lowend of a sc? or am i just crazy?
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Turbo's are more much more efficient than superchargers. Superchargers will rob some power to make the rotors spin that fast. You hear of turbo "lag" in turbo setups when they use larger turbo's for more power, the lag happens when it takes a bit to spool up such a large turbo. Most grand prix turbo setups do not have this problem until you have a larger turbo or breaking 500+ hp
 


thanks all but most of the information regarding the different chains and everything i don't really undrstand because i am the biggest newb on this forum
 
Our transmissions are driven by a chain. So what ever horsepower you are putting to the ground has to go through a chain in order to drive the wheels. All the chains break easy on a turbo setup. Except the GM Racing 1'' chain. The Chain has not been discontienued but rather the gears.



P.S ZZP has sold quite a few chains and there is not 20 left anymore. I know for a fact they have sold 5 since they were announced as ''they were not making them anymore.''
 
Roughly to do a turbo setup from a gt or gtp that's pushing 500 hp or more and to do it right you're looking at roughly 3600 for the transmission alone, 3000 for a used intrercooled turbo kit, and at least 2000 in other parts like a tuner,injectors,fuel pump ect ect.


If you're not looking to spend that much then you don't need to go turbo. Start looking at supercharged instead.
 
Bio248 said:
forged pistons will take just as much damage as regular ones if youre knocking. they break too. if youre not knocking, then you wont have any problems.
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True, but there undoubtably more durable than our factory Hypertectic pistons. Not to mention the ring landing is further down making chipping not as easy to do.

As for knocking, thats never good but forged will tolerate it way better than Hypers ever will period.

To me, its WORTH the money to buy forged pistions if i'm trying to maximize my setup. One minor lean hicup would probably kill a hyper piston, but not as easily a forged in the same situation.

Thats my opinion though.


ZZP has 20 sets of 1" chains ready to be purcha$ed and might be working on a deal to get a manufacturer to do more of them, but I doubt they sell 20 chains out in the next few years.
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Zooomer can eat **** and die IMO, i'd never buy from them again after royally screwing me over. No thanks, I can tell him where he can put those chains though. Sorry, again thats my opinion.


Forged is expensive and its just insurance, stock blocks go for cheap these days and can take the power, just no the knock. I agree it's easier said than done though.
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Its worthwhile insurance though IMO. I've had my GTP over 7 years now, if my original 3.8 fails, pending on how bad it really is, I'll rebuild it with forged slugs and address a few oiling issues. Why not? I've kept it this long and I don't plan on ever getting rid of it.

Mark my words, someday (maybe a couple decades from now) good/clean 3800s are going to be extremely hard to find because of all the idiots going though them like pez. First to be the rarest will undoubtable be the L67/L32, L36/L26 will survive much longer.


Our transmissions are driven by a chain. So what ever horsepower you are putting to the ground has to go through a chain in order to drive the wheels. All the chains break easy on a turbo setup. Except the GM Racing 1'' chain. The Chain has not been discontienued but rather the gears.
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Uh huh. I wish SOMEONE would make the gears. They can't be that damn hard to machine surely. Who ever does this will have the market. I just hope it ain't ZZP.


Roughly to do a turbo setup from a gt or gtp that's pushing 500 hp or more and to do it right you're looking at roughly 3600 for the transmission alone, 3000 for a used intrercooled turbo kit, and at least 2000 in other parts like a tuner,injectors,fuel pump ect ect.
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Yep, if not more. Because, depending on how much power you'll make in the future, a good well built short block will need to be done IMO.


If you're not looking to spend that much then you don't need to go turbo. Start looking at supercharged instead.
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I agree 100%
 
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