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    Ok, I'm pissed. My car is at the dealer, getting that lovely yearly VA state inspection along with a couple of other things. Now my car I have had for almost 5 years, and I have had these AVS tailshades for almost the entire time I have owned the car. Not the ones that cover the entire tailight, just outline them. And they are failing me for that and my third brake light overlay.

    Now I'm in a pickle I have that stupid rejection sticker on my car. Hopefully my friend here in VA can help me out. I wish my friend Brian could help me out, but he works in MD. and they don't have yearly inspections. So that's out of the question.

    I just wanted to vent, the dealer has never given me a problem before. And what's the real pickle is my guy Jim just went on vacation. They are going to lose a loyal customer over this situation. And once Jim comes back from vacation he will hear about it. What is sad is they are willing to lose me as a customer over this instead of just working with me and passing my car, which they have done before.

    And what really gets my goose in a gander is the fact that they passed me last year.
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    I hear ya. That is one thing I hated when I lived there. I found this little inspection station that all the farmers went to to get mine done. My wife took it there one time and they checked the lights and made sure everything on the steering was tight and that's it. I did have a tie rod end going bad, but they still passed me. They were like , I know you'll fix it, so why waste time with a rejection sticker. What is funny, when they were done, my wife asked if they were going to check the brakes and the guy looked at my car, then the back of his shop, then at my wife and said, you didn't run through the back of my shop did you? She was like now. And he said I guess the brakes work then. That's what I like about here in GA, none of that crap. How far are you from VA Beach? I used to live in a town called Windsor about 45 minutes from there.
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    I am so glad they discontinued state inspections here several years ago. It was a joke here.
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    yea no state inspections here...its kentucky so half the cars and trucks are up on blocks anyway lol they'd have to make house calls to do inspections
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    Quote Originally Posted by stkks View Post
    Ok, I'm pissed. My car is at the dealer, getting that lovely yearly VA state inspection along with a couple of other things. Now my car I have had for almost 5 years, and I have had these AVS tailshades for almost the entire time I have owned the car. Not the ones that cover the entire tailight, just outline them. And they are failing me for that and my third brake light overlay.

    Now I'm in a pickle I have that stupid rejection sticker on my car. Hopefully my friend here in VA can help me out. I wish my friend Brian could help me out, but he works in MD. and they don't have yearly inspections. So that's out of the question.

    I just wanted to vent, the dealer has never given me a problem before. And what's the real pickle is my guy Jim just went on vacation. They are going to lose a loyal customer over this situation. And once Jim comes back from vacation he will hear about it. What is sad is they are willing to lose me as a customer over this instead of just working with me and passing my car, which they have done before.

    And what really gets my goose in a gander is the fact that they passed me last year.
    they probably got busted for it, those covers are still labeled as illegal, the overlay obstructs the third brake light so I can see that. I did inspections in GA (Gwinnett county has them) and we would get state inspectors through, and if we passed a car that should have failed, we got in trouble (rather large fines usually) I think it sucks, especially since the passed you before
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    Not trying to be *****y here, but it's not the dealers fault. Virginia Code in the past year has been changed so that now they can be cited and heavily fined for not citing you. Just fix the **** and get over it already. I get so sick of people who call me up with omg I got a ticket for illegal tint. Well, is it illegal? Yes. Then fix it, and you won't have that problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlambert View Post
    Not trying to be *****y here, but it's not the dealers fault. Virginia Code in the past year has been changed so that now they can be cited and heavily fined for not citing you. Just fix the **** and get over it already. I get so sick of people who call me up with omg I got a ticket for illegal tint. Well, is it illegal? Yes. Then fix it, and you won't have that problem.
    I never said it was the dealers fault, I just don't understand why they would pass me 3 times before and not now. I don't have them completely covered, they are just outlined. They don't interfere with the light output. I can understand the third brakelight overlay, but not the tailshades.

    And I think you are a little off base talking to me like that. You don't know me, and you don't know my dealership. And we are not talking about tint here were are talking about the tailshades, which do not cover my taillights. They outline them, so yes all I have to do is pull them off and reapply them.

    I have dropped a lot of money at my dealer bought several cars there, and my thing is they are going to jeopardize the relationship of a loyal customer over tailshades.
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    You can't have covers of any kind over your lights, headlights or tails:

    19VAC30-70-150. Rear lamps: tail lamp; license plate lamps and rear lamp combinations.

    Inspect for and reject if:

    1. Vehicle is not equipped with a rear (tail lamp) or rear lamp combination of an approved type or light assembly does not work as designed by the manufacturer. The approval designation letters that must appear are DOT or SAE-A-I-S-T-P for single lamps, DOT or SAE-A-I-S-T-P-R with a backup light, DOT or SAE-A-I-S-T-P-P2-R with a wrap around side-marker lamp and backup light.

    2. The vehicle is equipped with more than one rear lamp, if all are not in operating condition.

    3. The vehicle is not equipped with a license plate lamp of an approved type (DOT or SAE-L) that emits a white light. The license plate lamp may be a separate lamp or part of a combination rear lamp.

    4. License plate lamp is not illuminated by an approved license plate lamp that admits a white light.

    5. Lens on rear lamps, or lens area in combination rear lamps (tail lamps) are not red or contain a dot of another color. LED (light emitting diode) lights with a clear lens are acceptable if of an approved type. For those vehicles that are equipped with a multiple LED light (not filament burning bulbs), they will pass inspection if more than 50% of the diode lights are burning.

    NOTE: Replacement tail lamps, commonly sold as "clear" tail lamps or "Euro-Tail" lamps will not pass inspection if the red lamps and reflectors are replaced with clear ones or the tail lamps are missing the side red marker lamps or reflectors.

    6. Lens has piece broken from it or does not fit properly. The lens may have one or more cracks provided an off-color light does not project through the crack or cracks.

    NOTE: Taping or gluing cracks or pieces is not allowed.

    7. Filament in all rear (tail) lamps does not burn when headlamp switch is turned on to any position, or if lamps do not provide a red light visible to the rear through an approved red lens as annotated in subdivision 1 of this section. If it is a rear lamp combination incorporated with a wrap around side-marker light, then the side-marker lens must be red and not a clear lens with a red bulb. If the bulb, socket and wiring are removed from the side-marker lamps, then they will not be considered during the inspection.

    8. Rear (tail) lamp is not mounted near extreme rear of vehicle. Dump trucks and other specially constructed vehicles may mount the rear lamp at a point other than on the extreme rear, provided such rear lamp is clearly visible from the rear, and further provided that a red reflector of an approved type is mounted on the extreme rear. In unusual cases, the rear lamp may be mounted on the cab. Reject if the lamp is hidden by a bolster or other part of the body or frame, is not mounted securely, or if the lamp does not make a good electrical contact.

    9. The vehicle has unapproved lens or plastic covers, any other materials that are not original equipment or any colored material placed on or in front of rear lamps, license plate lamps and rear lamp combinations.

    10. Wiring or electrical connections are defective or filaments do not burn.

    NOTE: Every trailer shall carry at the rear two red lights of a type approved by the Superintendent.

    Statutory Authority

    §46.2-1165 of the Code of Virginia.

    Historical Notes

    Derived from VR545-01-07 §15, eff. May 1, 1990; amended, Virginia Register Volume 10, Issue 8, eff. February 9, 1994; Volume 21, Issue 4, eff. September 22, 2004; Volume 24, Issue 8, eff. March 1, 2008.

    Refer to line 9 specifically in your case.

    You are *****ing because your dealership is not allowing illegal things to slip. As I said before, they can be charged criminally, individually as the inspection and as the dealership, fined and even lose a bunch of their licenses for doing so:

    19VAC30-70-6. Class IV offenses.

    Class IV offenses are those violations considered so critically important to the integrity and credibility of the Official Annual Motor Vehicle Inspection Program as to require immediate and severe disciplinary action. The following violations and actions shall be considered a Class IV offense:

    1. Loss of driver's license, with the exception of an administrative court-ordered suspension that does not exceed seven days.

    2. Obvious usage of either alcohol and/or drugs by an employee associated with the Annual Motor Vehicle Inspection Program.

    3. Loss of inspection stickers through neglect.

    4. Improper use of inspection supplies such as placement on a vehicle that has not been inspected or failure to affix the inspection sticker to the vehicle in its proper location, after inspection.

    5. Falsifying inspection receipts or inspection records.

    6. Giving false information during an inspection complaint investigation.

    7. Performing either an inspection or inspections at a station without authority from the safety officer.

    8. The arrest of any person associated with the inspection program for a criminal offense or the institution of civil action of a nature that would tend to immediately reflect upon the integrity and reputation of the Department of State Police shall be grounds for an immediate suspension upon final court disposition. The conviction for such a criminal offense or a civil judgment or bankruptcy may result in a revocation of the station appointment.

    9. The use of profanity or verbal abuse directed at customers presenting their vehicles for inspection by inspectors, managers or business owners.

    10. Illegal use of inspection supplies such as stealing, selling, mailing or giving away, shall be grounds for revocation.

    11. Nonpayment of inspection fees.

    12. Conduct displayed by station owners and/or state inspectors that may be rude or discourteous, or use of profanity and/or verbal abuse directed at or towards Safety Division Personnel may be grounds for revocation.

    Disciplinary action for a Class IV offense shall be immediate suspension or revocation. A suspension shall not be less than 90 days nor more than six months. A revocation shall not be less than one year nor more than three years. Offenses are cumulative in nature and will remain active for a period of 24 months from the date of the offense. For a subsequent violation within 24 months, the suspension shall not be less than six months nor more than one year.

    In the case of the loss of the driver's license, the suspension shall remain in effect until the driver's license is reinstated and consideration for reinstatement of inspection privileges will be made at that time.

    In cases concerning nonpayment of fees when the inspection station has been given 15 days to reply to their final notice, the suspension of the affected inspection station shall remain in effect until all inspection fees are paid. Consideration for reinstatement of inspection privileges will be made when all fees are paid. Furthermore, stations that have not paid their processing fee after the 15-day period will not be issued any additional inspection supplies. Supply orders may resume when the inspection fee is paid and the station has been reinstated to an active status.

    A Class IV offense in combination with three Class I offenses, two Class II offenses, or one Class III offense shall be grounds for no less than a 90-day nor more than a six-month suspension.

    Statutory Authority

    §46.2-1165 of the Code of Virginia.

    Historical Notes

    Derived from Virginia Register Volume 12, Issue 21, eff. August 7, 1996; amended, Virginia Register Volume 21, Issue 4, eff. September 22, 2004; Volume 24, Issue 8, eff. March 1, 2008.

    It doesn't matter who you are or what you've bought from them. That's a whole lot to lose. I stand by my original post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlambert View Post
    You can't have covers of any kind over your lights, headlights or tails:

    19VAC30-70-150. Rear lamps: tail lamp; license plate lamps and rear lamp combinations.

    Inspect for and reject if:

    1. Vehicle is not equipped with a rear (tail lamp) or rear lamp combination of an approved type or light assembly does not work as designed by the manufacturer. The approval designation letters that must appear are DOT or SAE-A-I-S-T-P for single lamps, DOT or SAE-A-I-S-T-P-R with a backup light, DOT or SAE-A-I-S-T-P-P2-R with a wrap around side-marker lamp and backup light.

    2. The vehicle is equipped with more than one rear lamp, if all are not in operating condition.

    3. The vehicle is not equipped with a license plate lamp of an approved type (DOT or SAE-L) that emits a white light. The license plate lamp may be a separate lamp or part of a combination rear lamp.

    4. License plate lamp is not illuminated by an approved license plate lamp that admits a white light.

    5. Lens on rear lamps, or lens area in combination rear lamps (tail lamps) are not red or contain a dot of another color. LED (light emitting diode) lights with a clear lens are acceptable if of an approved type. For those vehicles that are equipped with a multiple LED light (not filament burning bulbs), they will pass inspection if more than 50% of the diode lights are burning.

    NOTE: Replacement tail lamps, commonly sold as "clear" tail lamps or "Euro-Tail" lamps will not pass inspection if the red lamps and reflectors are replaced with clear ones or the tail lamps are missing the side red marker lamps or reflectors.

    6. Lens has piece broken from it or does not fit properly. The lens may have one or more cracks provided an off-color light does not project through the crack or cracks.

    NOTE: Taping or gluing cracks or pieces is not allowed.

    7. Filament in all rear (tail) lamps does not burn when headlamp switch is turned on to any position, or if lamps do not provide a red light visible to the rear through an approved red lens as annotated in subdivision 1 of this section. If it is a rear lamp combination incorporated with a wrap around side-marker light, then the side-marker lens must be red and not a clear lens with a red bulb. If the bulb, socket and wiring are removed from the side-marker lamps, then they will not be considered during the inspection.

    8. Rear (tail) lamp is not mounted near extreme rear of vehicle. Dump trucks and other specially constructed vehicles may mount the rear lamp at a point other than on the extreme rear, provided such rear lamp is clearly visible from the rear, and further provided that a red reflector of an approved type is mounted on the extreme rear. In unusual cases, the rear lamp may be mounted on the cab. Reject if the lamp is hidden by a bolster or other part of the body or frame, is not mounted securely, or if the lamp does not make a good electrical contact.

    9. The vehicle has unapproved lens or plastic covers, any other materials that are not original equipment or any colored material placed on or in front of rear lamps, license plate lamps and rear lamp combinations.

    10. Wiring or electrical connections are defective or filaments do not burn.

    NOTE: Every trailer shall carry at the rear two red lights of a type approved by the Superintendent.

    Statutory Authority

    §46.2-1165 of the Code of Virginia.

    Historical Notes

    Derived from VR545-01-07 §15, eff. May 1, 1990; amended, Virginia Register Volume 10, Issue 8, eff. February 9, 1994; Volume 21, Issue 4, eff. September 22, 2004; Volume 24, Issue 8, eff. March 1, 2008.

    Refer to line 9 specifically in your case.

    You are *****ing because your dealership is not allowing illegal things to slip. As I said before, they can be charged criminally, individually as the inspection and as the dealership, fined and even lose a bunch of their licenses for doing so:

    19VAC30-70-6. Class IV offenses.

    Class IV offenses are those violations considered so critically important to the integrity and credibility of the Official Annual Motor Vehicle Inspection Program as to require immediate and severe disciplinary action. The following violations and actions shall be considered a Class IV offense:

    1. Loss of driver's license, with the exception of an administrative court-ordered suspension that does not exceed seven days.

    2. Obvious usage of either alcohol and/or drugs by an employee associated with the Annual Motor Vehicle Inspection Program.

    3. Loss of inspection stickers through neglect.

    4. Improper use of inspection supplies such as placement on a vehicle that has not been inspected or failure to affix the inspection sticker to the vehicle in its proper location, after inspection.

    5. Falsifying inspection receipts or inspection records.

    6. Giving false information during an inspection complaint investigation.

    7. Performing either an inspection or inspections at a station without authority from the safety officer.

    8. The arrest of any person associated with the inspection program for a criminal offense or the institution of civil action of a nature that would tend to immediately reflect upon the integrity and reputation of the Department of State Police shall be grounds for an immediate suspension upon final court disposition. The conviction for such a criminal offense or a civil judgment or bankruptcy may result in a revocation of the station appointment.

    9. The use of profanity or verbal abuse directed at customers presenting their vehicles for inspection by inspectors, managers or business owners.

    10. Illegal use of inspection supplies such as stealing, selling, mailing or giving away, shall be grounds for revocation.

    11. Nonpayment of inspection fees.

    12. Conduct displayed by station owners and/or state inspectors that may be rude or discourteous, or use of profanity and/or verbal abuse directed at or towards Safety Division Personnel may be grounds for revocation.

    Disciplinary action for a Class IV offense shall be immediate suspension or revocation. A suspension shall not be less than 90 days nor more than six months. A revocation shall not be less than one year nor more than three years. Offenses are cumulative in nature and will remain active for a period of 24 months from the date of the offense. For a subsequent violation within 24 months, the suspension shall not be less than six months nor more than one year.

    In the case of the loss of the driver's license, the suspension shall remain in effect until the driver's license is reinstated and consideration for reinstatement of inspection privileges will be made at that time.

    In cases concerning nonpayment of fees when the inspection station has been given 15 days to reply to their final notice, the suspension of the affected inspection station shall remain in effect until all inspection fees are paid. Consideration for reinstatement of inspection privileges will be made when all fees are paid. Furthermore, stations that have not paid their processing fee after the 15-day period will not be issued any additional inspection supplies. Supply orders may resume when the inspection fee is paid and the station has been reinstated to an active status.

    A Class IV offense in combination with three Class I offenses, two Class II offenses, or one Class III offense shall be grounds for no less than a 90-day nor more than a six-month suspension.

    Statutory Authority

    §46.2-1165 of the Code of Virginia.

    Historical Notes

    Derived from Virginia Register Volume 12, Issue 21, eff. August 7, 1996; amended, Virginia Register Volume 21, Issue 4, eff. September 22, 2004; Volume 24, Issue 8, eff. March 1, 2008.

    It doesn't matter who you are or what you've bought from them. That's a whole lot to lose. I stand by my original post.
    I have a 7/09 sticker on my windshield, that is all that matters to me. And that is with my tailshades. Which DO NOT COVER the Taillight, they outline them. But I did have to remove the third brake light overlay, which I said I could understand. I also spoke with a VA State Tropper today at lunch time, and he also said there was nothing wrong with my tailshades. But he informed me as well that the third brake light was illegal.
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    9. The vehicle has unapproved lens or plastic covers, any other materials that are not original equipment or any colored material placed on or in front of rear lamps, license plate lamps and rear lamp combinations.
    that is what is wrong, it is up to each person to determine if it is legal, and after reading that I would say anything that changes the look of your stock light is illegal. The probably either got in trouble, or you got a guy who goes by the law as written.
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    North Carolina's almost as bad as VA, altho we can have radar detectors here. In October you have to pass your inspection before you are able to get your new tags instead of just going to the license office and picking them up.... really sucks. I remember the days when it was...Lights work, blinkers work, brake light works, horn works.. registration and mileage...have a nice day! lol
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