Thread: Terrible accident today in St. Louis

I think ill just stay outta these kinda threads from now on. People have there own opinions to these kind of subjects and it seems it is near impossible to redirect there train of thoughts. And yes this includes me.

I have to agree with you both. We can sit here until times end and say this probably happened or this did, but if your not sitting in the seat beside the truck driver, no one will know for sure. Because if it was something he could have prevented, he'll come up with some story to try and lessen the charges or it could have been some medical problem. Only the driver and the great man upstairs will only know the real truth.

oh yea i got ya...no harm done and i wouldnt say i was run off. I just kind of got mad a little when I thought about it like this. If it were a gtp that had the same accident and killed 2 people because they werent paying attention and was a member on this fourm I know i would be supportive and would do anything I could to help him or her as well as all of the other parties. But here we are bashing him pretty much. I mean im sure he feels worse than he ever has and probably ever will feel again....and if he doesent well them i got a cupple words for him.


What i see is the truck drivers on there forum are blaming us ''4 wheelers'' and all of us on our forum are blaming the 18 wheelers.

We all need to accept this as hard as it may be.get along.give each other the same respect. and improve on our driving so we can hopefully prevent this from happening again.Im a firefighter for my city. I deal with people's mistakes all the time. but i dont go there telling them hey you should feel like ****...you just killed this person...but instead i go there and help. and i think that is what we should do.


We all have different opinions because were different people. thats normal and expected. so lets all of us on this forum learn something from this and improve our driving habits and be more carefull!!!

Like I had said earlier, I drove for 9 years and seen it on both ends. Truck drivers weaving in and out of traffic trying to get their load dropped off quicker, just like the 4-wheelers doing the same. When it comes to a accident involving a big truck, 50% of the time it's the trucks fault and the other 50 the cars. Most people always assume it's always the truck because of it's size. Like TDC said, we have to quit playing the blame game and just start covering our own 6's.

But hey in the mean time thanks for bringing this post up Geddy because i think it made a lot of us aware of what can happen if were not carefull. I didnt want you to think i was mad or anything

How about we wait to see what the investigation report says?

Like I said before, anything is possible here...but I find it very difficult to not fault the driver of the truck in this case. It almost clearly looks like negligence on his part.

Apparently Jeffy boy wasn't paying attention. All too common in semi accidents, although semi-drivers will never admit it.
When big rigs are driving too fast for conditions + Not enough safe distance +
Not paying attention the end result is dead people in cars...
Jeff was going to kill someone eventually just a matter of when and how many. I wonder how many close calls he had before this one....

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St. Louis Post Dispatch.. 07/17/2008

Jeffrey Knight, 49, who was unhurt, flew back to Alabama on Wednesday while police continue to investigate the accident and prosecutors consider criminal charges against him.

The Missouri Highway Patrol said that Knight had a clean driving record and that neither drugs nor alcohol appear to be involved. But at 3:45 p.m. Tuesday, authorities say, Knight was inattentive and drove his 2005 Freightliner loaded with scrap aluminum into and over 10 vehicles backed up on eastbound Highway 40 (Interstate 64) just west of Interstate 270.

Two people — Lydia Miller, 55, of Canton, Mo., and Charles "Keith" Cason, 55, of Caseyville — were killed instantly.

Miller was in a van headed with fellow Amish from northeastern Missouri to Tennessee for a funeral of a friend.

Two people in that van were among the three people in critical condition Thursday morning at St. John's Mercy Medical Center. They are Miller's sister-in-law Susan Borntreger, 52, of Canton, and Alvin Mast, 88, of Kahoka, Mo.

And there you have it.

I'm definitely looking in my rear view mirror when I'm stopped in traffic on a Highway in St. Louis....I may need more boost for my supercharger or nitrous..

Dec. 13, 2007: Lisa O'Bannon and her daughter Erin are killed when a driver of a tractor-trailer was unable to avoid crashing into their minivan. The O'Bannons had stopped due to a previous accident on eastbound Interstate 70 near Cave Springs.

May 19, 2007: Diane Veehoff slows in the eastbound lane of Interstate 44 near the Bowles Avenue exit in Fenton along with three cars around 4:30 p.m. when Donald Ferguson's tractor-trailer trucked plows into them. Veehoff dies at the scene, and Ferguson dies later at a hospital. Three others are injured.

July 28, 2005: A dump truck loaded with rocks is driven by Thomas Miskel when it plows into a minivan driven by Angela Huckaba on westbound I-44 near Six Flags. The force of the wreck pushes the minivan across the highway through a barrier fence and onto a service road running parallel to the highway. The vehicles explode into flames. Four other cars are damaged. Huckaba and her sons, ages 7 and 9, and her 18-year-old sister and 14-year-old brother are killed. A dozen others were taken to hospitals and treated for injuri

FYI you should probably always look in your rearview to make sure no one is going to rear end you. wether your on the highway or not.

hypergp1- just out of curosity why did you post 3 accidents that were only caused by 18 wheelers? you know 4 wheelers can hit other 4 wheelers on the highway




YouTube - Full speed highway crash


Wooooooooooooooow A crash on the interstate and it wasent by an 18 wheeler!!!! This must be the first one that ever happend because i have never seen an accident on the highway that DIDNT involve and 18 wheeler!!!! check it out!!!!

I was just getting ready to say something about that TDC. It's really starting to get on that last nurve that people are only talking about all the accidents that 18 wheelers are causing like there the only ones. Can't remember the date, but you might Parker, a family had been picked up at the airport in Atlanta and were on their way home on I-20. A young punk driving way over the posted speed limit, tries to cut in front of them and the car in front of him, hitting the front driver fender of the limo, causing it to wreck. Killing all but one. The driver of the car that caused it, sped away, parked his car and ran. The one that lived is going through so much therapy now it's not funny. He can't even speak at this point. All because some little JACKA$$ 4- wheeler was doing something he wasn't suppose to. I feel if there is going to be a thread like this, don't put all the blame just on ttruck grivers, talk about all accidents so people will start to think before they go out and do something stupid.
Geddy I am glad you started this thread. It is seems to a lot of good info being put out that may save one of our members lives one day for being just that much more attentive while out on the road.

No, sorry I only posted info about idiot semi drivers plowing into the back of stopped cars on the highways in St. Louis where I live......

YouTube - Ledenik tunnel crash

Originally Posted by BADAZGTP

All because some little JACKA$$ 4- wheeler was doing something he wasn't suppose to.

THANK YOU TERRY!!!!

And in another instance, a rolloff truck had just come out of a landfill and a 4-wheeler ran under the back of it and killed the driver of the car. The driver of the truck got charged because they said the reflective tape on the back of his truck was covered in dirt so she couldn't see the truck. How do you not see a big freaking truck. And that was after witnesses said that she was weaving in and out of traffic. I am just giving a a example that when a truck is involved in a accident, it's not always their fault like most always assume.

Originally Posted by hypergp1

No, sorry I only posted info about idiot semi drivers plowing into the back of stopped cars on the highways in St. Louis where I live......

YouTube - Ledenik tunnel crash

Well it's good to know that there are no idiot car drivers in your city

Boy you guys are all bent out of shape over something that you all are making the issue on.

Seriously...how many times have any of us all most rear ended someone when we're flying right along an hit a big jam up? I guarantee we all have at some point. If you say no, then you're lying or you're forgetting when you did.