Thread: g/f's V6 Camaro is whoopin me

Okay, so im not ashamed to lose to my girl by any means, she's amazing and her Camaro is tha sh*t. But...the problem is its a stock V6 camaro, no mods so far other than a few drivability things (cleaned the 80K TB, seafoam, etc.) and she's puttin my GP to shame.You can see the mods i have in my sig. Im just confused as to why an 80+K mile series II 3800 Camaro can beat a 28K 3800 series III 05 GP WITH top end mods? I know there are a lot of factors to consider, such as driver error/timing, gearing, mph when the "race" was iniated, etc. But every time we've run i have been dead even with her front bumper from the start and by the end of the "run" she's pulled a carlength and a half on me. We usually go from a 40mph roll, i mash it and go WOT and stay even with her until it shifts again (dunno if that would be the upshift or downshift, im still a n00b to shifting lingo) and then my RPM kinda hangs around 4500 and SLOWLY gets to 5600 as she's pulling away from me. I mean, it's not like a massacre or anything, i stay within a car length the whole time, maybe it's just timing?...Or maybe i need a PCM to raise my shift points? Any input guys? Sorry if this belongs in the Kills section, but i figured since i wasnt the one doing the killing this section may be more appropriate

^ thanks Sabre. would RWD vs FWD make any difference? Also, im running with an SES light on because of the o/r DP, would that affect anything?? Ive also heard about "Torque Abuse Mode" or something, whats the deal with that??

Originally Posted by GTPJOE90

gett a GTP and your problem is solved i killd my buddies v6 96 camaro with a full exhaust system from borla

...says my wallet. I know, i know, but im not so sure how forced induction will afffect driveabilility or the reliability of my car. I have the n/a 3800 with a higher compression, iirc, and supercharging a high compression engine, if you dont know what youre doing, can make it go BOOM. And I dont know what im doing when it comes to that,lol. And then you have to switch out the fuel rails and injectors, get a new PCM and UIM, etc. Believe me, i would LOVE to have a Gen V s/c, even an M90, but until then im gonna try to squeeze every ounce of power (or lack thereof) from this n/a..."you gotta pay if you wanna play" i guess....

right, right. lol, i actually meant to write Gen III rather than M90 but my fingers type faster than my brain thinks. i had the right idea though. So is there really anything more i can do with n/a before going supercharged? Maybe some 1.9's or a cam i guess?

Originally Posted by Sabrewings

RWD vs FWD only makes a difference on the launch. If no tires were spinning or anything it makes no difference. SES light for a DP won't change anything. Torque abuse on the 04+ GPs is fairly heavy I hear, but I don't have any first hand experience with it.

Nope, no wheel spin. Went from a roll, so no such luck. I know you said you dont have much experience with it, but do you think Torque Abuse mode would be an all-the-time thing or just when someone goes WOT from a stop or if there is excessive wheel spin?

isn't it for every 10lbs of weight you shed you pick up a tenth of a second in the 1/4 mile? or something like that...anyway, shedding weight isn't in the forecast anytime soon, and ive DEFINITELY been considering the aftermarket PCM route. But this is the second mention ive heard of an Overkill PCM for the 04+ GPs, is this the only company that does 04 and up? And isnt this a Canadian company? Not that i have anything against Canada or Will, they're both great, just curious... Also, tell me more about this gearing dilemma i seem to be having. is there any way to swap out gears or is it a serious internal transmission or differential mod? Thanks for the help guys, youre an asset to n00bs everywhere

...and if I were to go the supercharged route im sure i would need different gearing, right? Or at LEAST an HD diff?

You should get that PCM and some more upgrades. Until then...

"You're slower than your car..."

Sincerely,

The g/f "whoopin'" you.

Seriously, my primary guess for the multiple kills is weight difference. Then I'm going to factor in your crazy factory PCM tactics, like "Torque Abuse Mode" and "Torque Management" or whatever way GM tries to tie down a decent sedan from putting out some power. If his '05 GP does have 2.93 gearing, then he's not far off from my open differential "one tire fire" 3.08 gearing. Of course, those combined could be just enough to make that 1 to 1 1/2 car length lead.

Anywho... good luck when some of the mods start going into my car.

Originally Posted by Pace

Seriously, my primary guess for the multiple kills is weight difference. Then I'm going to factor in your crazy factory PCM tactics, like "Torque Abuse Mode" and "Torque Management" or whatever way GM tries to tie down a decent sedan from putting out some power. If his '05 GP does have 2.93 gearing, then he's not far off from my open differential "one tire fire" 3.08 gearing. Of course, those combined could be just enough to make that 1 to 1 1/2 car length lead.

Anywho... good luck when some of the mods start going into my car.

ever weigh a 4th gen camaro, they are way heavy (heaviest f body by a large margin even in v6 form)

Originally Posted by archemedes

ever weigh a 4th gen camaro, they are way heavy (heaviest f body by a large margin even in v6 form)

Oh yeah. I'm well aware that my 3300lb boat is not light in any way. But if we're going to be technical about it, there are still other factors including extra weight (i.e. driver, gas, extra junk in the car) that make his total weight at least 150lbs more than mine. At least from what I've heard stock '05 Grand Prix typically weigh (~3,47x lbs?).