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    I ran across while skimming the turbo section. I am not posting this to bash the guy but just thought maybe some of you over here would like to follow this one. I am curious to say the least but doubt it will work.

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    Seems a crazy risk to me, but I'm no expert. I go the safe route, stay off the gas unless needed. gets me over 26mpg around town and I sleep well at night not worrying about what damage could be done by an experiment like turning off 3 cyl lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by David99GTP View Post
    Seems a crazy risk to me, but I'm no expert. I go the safe route, stay off the gas unless needed. gets me over 26mpg around town and I sleep well at night not worrying about what damage could be done by an experiment like turning off 3 cyl lol
    I posted my two cents. I did a lot of research into DoD stuff before it actually came out (as a college project). He's not doing it right.
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    Not sure about it either, but at least the guy got conversation going after the CGP anger passed. Maybe something will come out of it (postive or negative).
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    I for one encourage this guy in his research. I hope he is on to something. Anything to save gas. Hes trying to think outside the box.
    Yeah its a grand prix, so what, wanna fight about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LowlyfeGTP View Post
    Not sure about it either, but at least the guy got conversation going after the CGP anger passed. Maybe something will come out of it (postive or negative).
    I just finished reading that thread again. It is 75% people bashing because it isn't what everyone else is doing already and 25% people actuallying giving real input. I am very curious to see the out come. I don't think it will work, but I am not expert.

    Wouldn't it be better to find a way to running a higher afr while in open loop? In his case the the engine is still doing the same amount of work to pull in air as it was while running on 6 cylinders, but getting 50% of the power output. But I suppose as long as the car only needs that 50% power to keep moveing he will see a gain. Or am I way off base here?
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    Pull plug wires 1,3, and 5. Problem solved, same results your basically going to get listening to anything that moron has to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Street Wolf View Post
    Pull plug wires 1,3, and 5. Problem solved, same results your basically going to get listening to anything that moron has to say.
    You would then still be injecting fuel in the front three cylinders? Now you would just be wasteing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Street Wolf View Post
    Pull plug wires 1,3, and 5. Problem solved, same results your basically going to get listening to anything that moron has to say.

    Pulling the plug wires would not work. The injectors would still be spraying fuel into a cylinder that has no spark thus not giving the result that guy is going for. He seems to be putting relays on the injectors to shut them off.

    They were VERY QUICK to jump on this guys ass to bash and hate on him, but he has my curiosity. I dont much care for his turbo set up or his hackjob intercooler mounting ability but thats a different thread.
    Yeah its a grand prix, so what, wanna fight about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_99GTP View Post
    You would then still be injecting fuel in the front three cylinders? Now you would just be wasteing it.
    Simple, cut the injector wires on cylinder 1,3, and 5.


    Amazing anyone is even considering listening to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Street Wolf View Post
    Amazing anyone is even considering listening to this.
    I want to see where this actually goes. Its fun reading about someone doing a never before done test on their car.... you dont really give a **** because its not your car, its theirs. Whats the worst that could happen to you? Nothing. But, if hes on to something, that will open the door for a company (ZZP, WBS) to do a follow up on this and perfect it. You never know man.
    Yeah its a grand prix, so what, wanna fight about it.
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    I truely believe it will work. It is the same thing they are doing on the V8 grand prix right? Also, yeah pulling the plug wires is the dumbest thing I've ever heard... maybe get the boost to 35psi... then you might get close to running like a diesel

    Seriously, I would consider trying this (on a friends car) because I like the idea... and since it has been done by gm dodge honda etc. it obviously has some "spark" of significance.

    3 years ago I had my 97gt prix and I would go to neutral for 2.5 miles on a long slightly downhill stretch in a 35 zone (start at 40 at the top) coast down to the 25 zone (doing 24-27mph) and then where the turn was start her back up. I got 23+mpg on that tank of gas vs 20.5-22 normally. It definitely was visible. I duplicated these results twice.

    So Andrew how hard is this guys new idea to rig up on to a toggle switch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfoot__ View Post
    I truely believe it will work. It is the same thing they are doing on the V8 grand prix right?
    Far from. Nothing is happening to the valve train like it does on the LS4. Shutting the valves on the dead cylinders is a key part of cutting cylinders for economy.

    Read my post in that thread for more info.
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    key word- I know nothing about this...but...didnt they come out with a car (newer like at least 06) that cuts cylinders when not in use? I think it was some type of hybrid?...seems I heard something about one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDCRacing View Post
    key word- I know nothing about this...but...didnt they come out with a car (newer like at least 06) that cuts cylinders when not in use? I think it was some type of hybrid?...seems I heard something about one...
    It's called DoD (displacement on demand) or now GM calls it AFM (active fuel management). It's not a hybrid setup, and it's been around for a few years.
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