Thread: Thoughts on 911.....

Wars create jobs whether people want to believe it or not. Some would say our country was better off a year after the 9/11 than now. In some aspects I certianly believe that too. My trainup to go to Iraq started in Octobetr of 2005 I didnt get finished with the tour until August 2007. I came home to a mess. Gas was getting insane, housing market sucked, and the economy was about to collapse. With out wars their cannot be peace. If the wars were correctly justified well time will tell other wise maybe.

Originally Posted by TorqueAutoMotiv

There can be peace with out war.

but no profits.

it was building 5 that went down 10 minutes behind schedule -- at terminal velocity.

Haliburton wanted to build a pipeline across Iraq --- but I'm sure that had nothing to do with anything.

We broke how many protocols that day? No air force within 600 miles? coincidences I'm quite sure.

ugh.

Originally Posted by TorqueAutoMotiv

I won't say we ar run by goldman sachs haliburton. Bildergurg and other big money cause that would be crazy.

give your senator a call and see if you can get him on the line. I *know* any of those companies you mentioned can --- as well as BP, Conoco, Exxon/Mobil, Health South, BCBS, Dole et al can --- and get results. me and you? we're friggin' cannon fodder at this point.

f'in ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by TorqueAutoMotiv

we all have to fight not just little groups. Every one

hell, if we could get a third of the country to kick in $10 each we could buy our country back. $1B will buy a lot of lobbyists and juice.

Originally Posted by Vegas~Blown

hell, if we could get a third of the country to kick in $10 each we could buy our country back. $1B will buy a lot of lobbyists and juice.

Are you tryingot say lobbyists are the right answer ?!!!! Man I sure hope your not serious!!

Originally Posted by 02GrandPrixIraqVet

Are you tryingot say lobbyists are the right answer ?!!!! Man I sure hope your not serious!!

sadly I am. the reason why is the congress critters won't stop what's happening now, too much money in it. so you'd have to fight fire with fire. once you get things under control you can start fixing things.

remember --- we're talking about a logic free zone here.

Originally Posted by TorqueAutoMotiv

Thats very true maybe even a honest president lmao

amazing isn't it --- there's some awfully sharp people out there and we get these guys (name anyone who's run in the past 20 years). but no sane person would do what it takes to get the job.

Originally Posted by Vegas~Blown

sadly I am. the reason why is the congress critters won't stop what's happening now, too much money in it. so you'd have to fight fire with fire. once you get things under control you can start fixing things.

remember --- we're talking about a logic free zone here.

Fighting fire with fire?? You have to be kidding me! Lobbyists will do the same thing they did to the auto industry and the heathcare system like those are 2 very awesome programs right! What do you think the lobbyists are for? Um personal interest money and greed would be one hell ofa good guess! Thinking lobbyists are the right answer is like asking for the stock market to crash gas to return to 5 dollars a gallon and the unemployment rate to continue to rise! Man I have no idea how you think lobbyists would solve ANYTHING!

Originally Posted by 02GrandPrixIraqVet

Fighting fire with fire?? You have to be kidding me!

nope.

Lobbyists will do the same thing they did to the auto industry and the heathcare system like those are 2 very awesome programs right!

If you hire a lobbyist they do what you tell them to do, not what they feel like doing. I don't know why that's a difficult concept to grasp.

What do you think the lobbyists are for?

to represent you to larger entities --- in this case FedGovCo. They'd be working for you, doing what you tell them to do. It'd be no different than hiring a tuner to do your car --- who would do what you tell them to do. As it is now you have *zero* representation in DC..... and you apparently don't want any since you're not willing to do the dance that it takes to get noticed.

Um personal interest money and greed would be one hell of a good guess!

they work for who hire them. Jesus --- what's so hard to get?

Thinking lobbyists are the right answer is like asking for the stock market to crash gas to return to 5 dollars a gallon and the unemployment rate to continue to rise!

you don't understand how things work. that's fine. I don't dig the drama -- but whatever.

Man I have no idea how you think lobbyists would solve ANYTHING!

because if I hire a lobbyist to cut someone off at the knees that's what they'll do. How do you think we ended up so far upside down? lobbyists. doesn't mean they're bad --- it's just that none of them work for you.

I've worked at a place where we had a DC lobbyist --- and you'd be amazed at what those guys can do. I guess not seeing it first hand -- nor thinking of them working for you, tilts the tables a little.

Or are you naive' enough to think you'll eliminate them without taking them down first?

just sayin'.