^^ yes its probably gonna make me dump even more money on this useless platform.
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04-21-2012
^^ yes its probably gonna make me dump even more money on this useless platform.
04-22-2012
Maybe it's just me, but the stiffer spring rates and universal all-around drop (visual ass drag) is something that would DEFINITELY turn me off from these springs, and others like me.
It's a SMALL majority of GP owners that want to make their FWD, family sedans into Auto-X champion cars. And a small percentage more want a car that can handle like a subaru or evo.
Most of the GP owners understand that their vehicles were never meant to take corners with the likes of smaller chassis AWD cars........ The MAIN reason for people to get lowering springs is ..........well, to have a lower, nicer stand to the car, with SOME additional handling ability.
That being said, I have a very good feeling you'll have a lot of un-happy customers with these stiff springs..........it will do the job that you intend it to, but people will not be happy with ride quality.
04-22-2012
Then again, there are some of us who have been waiting for something like this to come to market. You might not sell a million, but I know that I would be all over a set that slightly lower the car and inrease the spring rate. I do auto-x and I don't mind a rough ride at all.
Someone brought up valving for the struts. Lets talk more about this. What are our options?
04-22-2012
So you do auto-x, but don't understand valving a strut?Originally Posted by outonthetiles
Valving a strut correctly involves going into the internals of the strut, and changing the amount of shims and such that control movement of the fluid from one chamber to the next. It directly controls how fast the strut rebounds/compresses.
I love the fact that Hyperco is looking to produce these..........but with the spring rates I've read (nearly 3-4x that of the ones available currently).......many people don't know what they are getting into.
04-22-2012
Soo what are they hyperco spring rates? How do they compare to the DNA spring rates?
04-22-2012
Yep, I do autocross, and I do understand the purpose for revalving struts. Do I have to be a pro strut valver to participate in auto-x? I just didn't know how its done, where you can get it done, and what struts to use for it.
04-22-2012
Anything can be valved but most specialize in monotubes.
Other option is an adjustable twin tube.
04-23-2012
As of right now, I am running a 250# front spring, and a 165# rear. The ride quality is still pretty good...if anything the rear is still a little soft imho. The front is a little lower than the rear(it would be level if I had Bilsteins on the front also.) It is about a 1.2" front and .75" rear drop with the Bilsteins on the rear and cheapo gabriels on the front. I have intentions of getting bilsteins for the front, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I am using off the shelf parts for now.....with every intention of making the proper kit, once I can get some R&D done. As far as the struts and valving goes, this kit is designed for performance, hence stock replacement struts would not be the best. It would be best to use (at the minimum) a Bilstein HD or sport, maybe KYB AGX's, or Koni's(if you could find them). Ride quality will not suffer as much as you would think, if you had stiffer struts that were designed to habdle the stiffer rates. The stock rates for these cars are in the low 100's for rate, but are meant for ride quality, which is why if you corner our cars hard, they hit the bump rubbers real quick and you lose the effectiveness of having your suspension travel. In racing, this would mean a huge loss of grip. I do however, believe the initial thoughts on rate may have been a little high. I am thinking now of maybe doing 250-300# front, and maybe 200-225# rear.
04-23-2012
any news on these springs i would be willing for a set....kinda tied on ssc but true number dont lie tho
04-24-2012
Well, so far I haven't gotten any competitors springs to test yet. I really want to do this to show everyone the difference between them, and to ensure we ae not going to just make a kit just like someone else's. I am currently running some very close to stock dimension(but higher rate) off the shelf parts, to judge the overall feel of what they are going to do, but they are not "exact" fit and I know that not everyone would want to use them. I have put about 250 miles on what I am running now, with no excess noise or problems. Once the springs are installed, they fit well. If someone is interested, I can tell you what front springs will give you a 250# rate, with about a 1.2" drop for the front. The only thing is that they are a "constant" diameter all the way up and down, and both ends are gound flat(like a coilover). They do not rub or bow, and once installed fit just fine in the stock struts.
06-06-2012
Any updates?
06-06-2012
I'd like to know more about what you've been running. I'm looking for something lower in the front than Eibach to match the sagging rear.
Originally Posted by TLSheff
06-07-2012
So far guys, I haven't really gotten enough interest to make a kit that is affordable. I would have to have AT LEAST 20 kits out the door upon completion in order to get justify making 50 kits, which is what it would take to make them reasonably priced. I am currently personally running a setup that i devised on my own from parts that we currently make, and it works, just not quite perfect enough for my tastes to market as a kit. I have a 250# front spring, that is about a 1.2" drop, and a 165# rear spring that would be about a 1" drop, if i didn't have bilstein hd's on the rear. The rear spring is actually a front lowering spring for a mustang, and the dimensions are perfect for our struts. The front spring is a 5"x 11" coil that works fairly well, the ends are the correct size for our struts, but the body of the spring is slightly smaller than stock. And Sandman, the Camaro spring is most likely a no-go on the front of our cars, because it just drops the front so much I had rubbing issues and was bottoming out the bumper cover just pulling out of my garage.
Last edited by rcdino1978; 06-07-2012 at 06:36 AM. Reason: sorry..fixed typos
06-16-2012
Are you still looking for a competitors spring? I have a set of B&G springs I could send you (they are used). You pay for the shipping, I have no reason to want them back. Just an FYI, my coilover setup I decided to go with your springs 10" 375 for the front and 275 for the rear. Too bad I didn't read this one earlier or I would of bought my springs directly from you. Let me know on the B&G's...
06-18-2012
sent you a pm
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