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    Went through and did air and fuel filter, plugs, wires, UIM, pcv, half shafts, struts, ATF swap about 500 miles ago and was running strong. Yesterday the car stalled while cruising 40 mph, no CEL, didnt notice the tac going to 0 before stall. Seems like when its idling at 750 at a stop, I'll get an occasional dip to 500 and it stalls. Dropped it off at the shop where they were unable to reproduce the issue and determined fuel pressure is 10 psi low and suggested to replace the pump. Ive seen posts where low psi conditions were not solved with pump replacement so I thought a bit more due diligence was prudent.

    Before throwing a pump at it I'll check:

    tight gas cap

    verify alternator output


    check trans fluid


    check vac leaks with carb cleaner


    IAC clean and replace


    unplug maf should set CEL, if car runs better need new MAF, if runs worse clean Idle Air Control


    test fuel pressure regulator


    verify +10v to fuel pump


    fuel pump relay ?

    fuel pump resistor - http://www.grandprixforums.net/attac...own-relays.jpg

    CPS?

    If it's the pump, is there a Delphi part number I should go for? I saw three different part numbers for the 2000 GTP delphi pumps.

    Anyone have other ideas?

    TIA
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    You pretty much hit it on the spot with that check off list. I would definately check for VAC leaks, make sure your motor is electrically GROUNDED well, and check the induction system(throttle body, air filter, maybe deeper like into the plenum) may be gunked up. Also possibly your fuel injectors and or the entire fuel system may be clogged and dirty which could be the reason of the low fuel psi or the mechanic is just trying to make money off you. Change/check motor oil, might be gunked up also causing low oil pressure. Since the mechanic claimed low fuel psi, try the Royal purple Max fuel clean. Here's what it looks like, $12-16 compared to $300-600 or more for parts & labor a the shop for a fuel pump. May work for you, Chevron techron is great as well[IMG][/IMG]
    Not your average grocery getter, but theres always at least two things on the list.... 10w-30 Castrol Titanium and Shell 91 premium mixed with a lil 100 octane racing gas......
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    Cleaned IAC, spray maf cleaner around vac lines and no engine revving, topped up ATF to full and drove it to the parts shop to determine alternator is producing to spec but the battery is down at 12v. This may be explained by a corroded positive wire at the battery. Corrosion is down into the wire, would I be looking at a dealer only positive wire loom?

    Car was running well but once it warmed up it stalled and stumbled at idle and while accellerating. Borg CPS is $60 and Delphi pump is $300. Cant find my multimeter so Im thinking a CPS and see how it is after.

    Still need to pull MAF connector and see if its sets a CEL and then do the resistor pin mod to see if fuel pressure or driveability comes back.

    Happy Labor Day everyone!
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    The IAC was a good check and so was the battery terminals. Naw, I wouldn't go to the dealer for anything unless its absolutely necessary. If the battery and or the terminals are corroded then that could very well affect the cars operation. Just complete all the maintenance it may need and look over everything. Clean up or buy new battery terminals. take care of any codes you may have, if none then disconnect the terminals(which you have to do anyway) and let the car sit for a while so your PCM can reset. Check all the fluids, they may need to be changed and not just topped off. if you cant find the issue after this than let someone else take a look at it for you. oh, and it may very well just be the fuel pump
    Not your average grocery getter, but theres always at least two things on the list.... 10w-30 Castrol Titanium and Shell 91 premium mixed with a lil 100 octane racing gas......
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    Low pressure and stalling....

    Stock pump?

    High miles?

    Yep... You guessed it.


    Pumps going. Replace it.
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    Pulling the MAF connector set a PO102 CEL but the engine ran better. No stalls or surging after the motor warmed up. Rolling the dice with a new $40 shipped MAF from ebay. Pulling the vac line from the fuel pressure regular made idle stumble a hair and even out, plugging the vac harness hole causes rough idle. No fuel smell near the fuel pressure regulator.

    I meant to say before I cleaned the TB and MAF when the UIM gasket work was done ~500 miles ago. I was running great until this past week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoarkatsINmuhtrailer View Post
    Low pressure and stalling....

    Stock pump?

    High miles?

    Yep... You guessed it.


    Pumps going. Replace it.
    Really trying to make sure it isnt something simple/notorious for these cars first but yeah 120k is a good long life for a fuel pump. Any rec's on which one to replace with for a bone stock motor?
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    Just whatever from the parts store.
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    Some fuel pumps last the life of the car and some go before any other part dies on your car. It depends on how you maintain it. The fuel pump is just like other vital parts, must be kept clean, cool, and well fed. How do you do this...Use fresh fuel as often as you can(a station that gets a lot of business and always filling their fuel tanks with fresh fuel), use a name brand gas station and or a very reputable one bc they'll have good additives that'll take care of your fuel system(Chevron, Shell, etc.), keep gas in your tank and never let it go empty actually no where near empty bc now your fuel pump would have to work harder and its not being properly cooled, use Royal purple Max fuel clean/Chevron Techron, etc. additives which will keep your fuel from going stale if sitting to long and it'll keep the whole system clean when in use, avoid short trips all the time but if that's all you have to do then every now and then just take a nice lil drive to get that fuel pump a lil work out while knocking off some of the carbon build up bc the last thing a motor wants is not to be driven. I could keep going but if these are things you've been doing and it turns out to be the fuel pump anyway then just continue to practice these steps on your new fuel pump and it'll last you another 100k miles or more
    Not your average grocery getter, but theres always at least two things on the list.... 10w-30 Castrol Titanium and Shell 91 premium mixed with a lil 100 octane racing gas......
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    Unplugging the maf resulted in no stalls. Rolled the dice on an ebay maf and its appears to have resolved the stalling. Sure am glad I didn't throw a fuel pump at it. Thanks for the help!
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    For sure.....
    Not your average grocery getter, but theres always at least two things on the list.... 10w-30 Castrol Titanium and Shell 91 premium mixed with a lil 100 octane racing gas......
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