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  1. #1 DexCool and Plugged Heater Core - What I did to remedy 
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    Figured I would pass this along to everyone.

    My 2004 GT1 developed a no heat condition and it was beginning to run a little warmer than normal. This was a result of my lack of knowledge of DexCool. About 2 weeks ago, I checked my coolant level and noticed it was low. I added some traditional Glycol based antifreeze. (Big Mistake). As everyone may or may not know, Dexcool can not be mixed with Glycol. The combination results in a thick black goo that clogs up passages and the heater core. I was shocked when I pulled the radiator cap to find that it was caked in thick black goo. The guts of the radiator were caked in the gunk as well. Upon seeing that I knew immediately why I had no heat. This is what I did to fix.

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    2 old laundry machine supply hoses with the ends cut off. Leaving the hose connector on one end.
    1/2 cup of powdered Cascade dishwasher soap
    2 Liter Soda Bottle
    Garden Hose with good water pressure.
    New Thermostat Gasket.

    Heater Core Unplugging

    1. Open the drain in the radiator and let the coolant drain out.
    2. Locate the 2 heater hoses and where they connect to the engine underneath the alternator.
    2. Loose the clamps.
    3. Remove the hoses from the nipples, using a long flat screwdriver to get in the gap. Pull gently and they will come right off.
    4. Take the laundry hoses and insert the cut ends into the heater hoses. Put the clamps over the connection.
    5. Attach the garden hose to the lower heater hose. This is the return hose.
    6. Turn on the water and hold the supply hose and point it away from anything you don't want to cover in black goo.
    7. Stand there and be amazed at all of the crap that comes out of the heater core.
    8. Turn the water off
    9. Put the garden hose on the supply line of the heater hose and reverse the water direction.
    10. Observe black water coming out of the core.
    11. Do this about 2-3 times until the water runs clear. (The core is still not completely unplugged yet)
    12. Reassemble heater hoses onto engine and re-position clamps

    Engine Flush and Radiator Flush ( 1st clean)

    1. Remove thermostat housing and thermostat.
    2. Insert garden hose into filler neck and turn on the water. This will flush the old coolant from the radiator as well as force the coolant out of the engine having it come out of the thermostat housing.
    3. Allow it to run for about 5 min until the water runs clear.
    4. Remove hose and re-assemble thermostat housing.
    5. Empty Expansion tank of contents.

    Dexcool sludge removal.

    1. Close radiator drain valve
    2. Take cascade and dump it into the 2 liter bottle.
    3. Fill with hot water and shake well until detergent is dissolved.
    4. Put solution into radiator
    5. Fill expansion tank with water until radiator is full.
    6. Start car and allow it to come up to temperature with heater on.
    7. Run car for 15 minutes, keeping an eye on the temperature gauge. Straight water is not a great coolant and the engine will run warmer than usual.
    8. Turn engine off and open up the drain valve
    9. Allow the system to drain
    10. Remove Thermostat housing and put the hose back in the filler neck and flush system again.
    11. Flush Heater core again.
    12. Once everything has been flushed with water. Reassemble core and thermostat housing.
    13. Fill with water again and allow engine to come up to temp and run for 15 min again.
    14. Turn engine off
    15. Drain again
    16. Flush Core and Engine again.
    17. Reassemble heater hoses.
    18. Close drain valve.
    19. With thermostat housing still apart, fill the expansion tank with your choice of coolant. (I put Dexcool back into it)
    20. Observe the thermostat housing watching the water be pushed out. It should begin to change color. Once the coolant reaches the level. Put the thermostat housing back on.
    21. Top off radiator with coolant and put the cap back on.
    22. Start Car and allow it come up to temp. Check for leaks and go for a test drive.
    23. Once engine has cooled check coolant level and adjust as neccesary.

    After doing all of this, I was able to get the sludge out of the cooling system. The use of the cascade was the trick. I stumbled across this method on another forum and gave it a shot. Since the cascade is designed to cut oily deposits. It cleaned up the sludge with no issues. Looking down into radiator prior was discouraging. After I ran the cascade through it, the radiator is now spotless (From what I can see). I can so longer see any sludge from the Tstat housing either.

    The key is too flush everything very well, It felt like I used about 500 gallons of water when I was doing this. But it did work. I now have heat again and the needle has returned to it's normal position even when idling.
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    All dexcools fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt5112 View Post
    All dexcools fault.
    Yes, I'm used to the brown floaters condition. I've owned the car for 7 years now and with 170,000 miles on it. I know it's less than ideal. But I didn't help matters buy mixing the two.

    Do you think I should have just went with the normal glycol coolant? I didn't know if I was going to make the scenario worse by switching over with so many miles on it.
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    Sticking with dex is the right choice.
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    That's a great fix. How much time did it take to do all of this? I agree with you putting the Dex back in. I use it...even on a newly rebuilt motor.

    One thing you mentioned about water not being a very good coolant? The only reason we don't use pure water is due to corrosion and freezing. Water is a much better coolant than water/glycol mixture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post
    That's a great fix. How much time did it take to do all of this? I agree with you putting the Dex back in. I use it...even on a newly rebuilt motor.

    One thing you mentioned about water not being a very good coolant? The only reason we don't use pure water is due to corrosion and freezing. Water is a much better coolant than water/glycol mixture.

    I think I started around 12:00 PM today and I finished up around 2:30. That included going to the parts store when I realized the thermostat gasket was leaking and had to be replaced.

    Interesting on the water being better overall. I always thought that the antifreeze (Dexcool or Glycol Based) had better heat transfer abilities and a higher boiling point. I'm sure I could be wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Streeter View Post
    I think I started around 12:00 PM today and I finished up around 2:30. That included going to the parts store when I realized the thermostat gasket was leaking and had to be replaced.

    Interesting on the water being better overall. I always thought that the antifreeze (Dexcool or Glycol Based) had better heat transfer abilities and a higher boiling point. I'm sure I could be wrong though.
    Never said it was better overall.

    The mixture is an azeotrope so you are correct, boiling point would be higher. Although, with the system under pressure the BP of pure water would be raised quite significantly.

    Pure water is still a much better cooling agent than the ethylene glycol/water mixture though. Running an engine on pure water temporarily will have no harmful affect on the engine relative to temperature. It would actually run a little cooler.

    At work we run pure deionized water through everything; copper, stainless steel, steel, aluminum, plastic etc. When the parts are serviced, they look brand new. Can you believe it? The difference is that our system has resin beds that constantly remove ions from the water. It's not the water that causes corrosion it's the ions that are dissolved in the water. The required heat transfer from equipment to coolant is very high so a glycol/water mixture would be detrimental. Also, the equipment never sees freezing temperatures making pure deionized water the perfect coolant.
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    Dexcool is crap. Period. I've heard reports of it breaking down with less that 35k of use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazedandconfused View Post
    Dexcool is crap. Period. I've heard reports of it breaking down with less that 35k of use.


    Agreed. My heat got bad and I replaced my radiator core fixed the problem but when I cut the old one open it was clogged with a red waxy substance. Flushed the dexcool out and ran water in it for a couple days flushed it again and ran water for a couple more days. Then put some ethylene-glycol in it and its been fine up to 164k. I did all this at 57k.

    So point is Dexcool sucks and it costs twice as much. And is NOT a 100k 5 year coolant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rico View Post

    One thing you mentioned about water not being a very good coolant? The only reason we don't use pure water is due to corrosion and freezing. Water is a much better coolant than water/glycol mixture.

    coolant does raise waters boiling point, that and to make it less corrosive to internal parts, and for freezing temps.

    your not supposed to use antifreeze when you go to drag strips and race tracks, a lot of teams use water with a additive that helps keep water temps in check, ice water or something like that its called. nascar does anyway.

    and i've seen the crew freak out when coolant leaks happen on all out pinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottydoggs View Post
    coolant does raise waters boiling point, that and to make it less corrosive to internal parts, and for freezing temps.

    your not supposed to use antifreeze when you go to drag strips and race tracks, a lot of teams use water with a additive that helps keep water temps in check, ice water or something like that its called. nascar does anyway.

    and i've seen the crew freak out when coolant leaks happen on all out pinks.
    I did not no that about glycol coolants at the race track. Hmm
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