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    I have a 2002 Pontiac Grand Prix GT 2 door with a 3.8 liter v6 and 93,000
    miles. 2 wheel bearings, 2 tires, tune-up, and transmission fluid change
    was done, and I keep having the same issue. Basically under slow
    acceleration, the transmission shifts and performs without issue. Under
    moderate to full acceleration, like when getting onto the highway, the
    car won't shift, and will hold itself in gear at 4500 and the engine just
    continues to make raise loudly until I let off the accelerator slightly, and
    it shifts. I used to only notice the issue under full acceleration, but now
    the issue is becoming more noticeable under moderate conditions, such as
    merging onto a freeway, which is becoming slightly dangerous.

    My mother drove the car, and she said the experience was similar to a
    1.6 liter Hyundai Accent she drove, which felt powerless and difficult to
    drive on the highway. Today when I was merging onto a bypass, I floored
    the car at about 30 mph and the engine made a loud grating, sound,
    similar to putting cards in the spokes of a bicycle. I heard the same sound
    when the engine blew in a 3.4 liter v6 Grand am. I let off the gas and
    pulled over and the engine was running quietly, and the temperature of
    the engine appeared normal. The engine starts and runs very smoothly,
    and the spark plugs and wires, as well as the air filter had been replaced
    recently during the tune-up. At one point when I was travelling at 50 mph
    I floored the gas and watched the car take approximately 20 seconds to
    accelerate to travel to 70mph.

    We once had a Chevy Venture Minivan with the same engine and at about
    134,000 miles, the trans started going and it had trouble shifting on the
    highway. I'm wondering if this is possibly the same issue, and the trans is
    on its last lap at 93,000 miles. I'd appreciate some of your input, thanks.
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    I'd second having the feline checked. Call the vet!
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    Guys thanks for your input. I was wondering if anyone had any "guesstimates" in
    regards to what I could be looking at. I've already put a bit into the car in small
    maintainence issues, thanks.
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    Please tell us what you've done. Without that info.. we may be sending you in circles.
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    If you do have a clogged cat., this is an indication that somthiong on the engine is not working properly. A cat converter should theoreticly last the entire life of the car, unless the a/f ratio is such that is causes the cat to over heat and lmelt down, or get glogged some otherway. Point is, they dont just go bad, but the sysmptoms you described does sound like a clogged/melted/broken cat. converter.
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    A shop quoted me 450 to do just the cat.. I didn't get too many quotes though cuz most shops I called seemed to groan about having to cut it out and replace it. Even though they were making money on it. I'm gonna order the 3" downpipe w/ cat from zzp and have it installed if I can't get the bolts off myself. The ZZP pipe costs 180 I think and it shouldn't cost more than 100 for some shop to just bolt on the whole piece for you.
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    I'm not extremely mechanically inclined, but I don't mind getting my hands dirty for
    DIY kinds of repairs. I was wondering if I bought a new cat, would I be able to unbolt
    it from the bottom of the car, and replace it, or is there flamework/cutting/soldering
    involved? Thanks
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    I would also say clogged cat. My car is also a 02 gt and had very similar problems. Once I replaced the cat, all problems went away and the car ran like new.
    MY suggestion to you is to buy this MagnaFlow 23405 - Direct Fit Catalytic Converter | O'Reilly Auto Parts

    I believe advanced auto sells them too, not positive though.
    Not only are you replacing the bad cat but your replacing it with a higher flowing cat, AND deleting the U-bend (the most restrictive part of the exhaust on these cars). All for about 200 bucks. No welding involved simply soak the sh*t outta the old exhaust bolts with PB blaster and remove the bolts and replace with new cat.

    PS. The cat's on these cars are so notorious for going bad GM actually recalled the cat's on them. Mine was within the VIN range but was over 120k miles or 10years, whichever comes first. Mine took a crap at 126k (go figure). Personally though, instead of trying to d*ck around with the dealership, go the magnaflow route. Your car will sound a little better, run ALOT better and even get a few ponies outta it.

    Hope this helps.....
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