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    i just bought a 00 gtp. it already has a borla exhaust, i was hopeing for some suggestions to give it a little more thanks
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    well the first thing you can do is do searches, use the tool. We've had extensive threads on this. TDCracing just released a FWI you should consider.

    http://www.grandprixforums.net/f51/t...-fwi-6947.html
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    hope that helps
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    whoa u have a borla?!?! good exhaust... id say add a 3 inch downpipe 2 the exhaust or headers... do all the starting stuff like a CAI or FWI, either a tuned PCM or just buy a tuner which is better. I would say do a 180 thermostat... colder plugs.
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    1) How much time and money do you want to spend?
    2) How fast do you want to go? [stock you do about high 14 low 15.]
    3) Is this a daily driver?
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    this is my daily driver. im not looking to make it into a race car. i just want a little more. what are some websites that i could look at for these parts? injector suggestions?
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    thanks man
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    Quote Originally Posted by keenan00gtp View Post
    this is my daily driver. im not looking to make it into a race car. i just want a little more. what are some websites that i could look at for these parts? injector suggestions?
    Id start with an intake, Cold air inductions is my recommendation but most people have experience on here with a Wizaired.

    Second a PCM, you could either get a generic v1.0 or you could have one programed for you after you are "done" modding your car. If the latter then save this step for later.

    Ported front manifold aka a plog. If you plan on modding further in the future get headers instead.

    Get a larger downpipe, 3" is recommended for our vehicles. [again not needed of you get headers.]

    Then you could also get a colder thermostat [180* only $10].
    All the above is less then $600 assuming you go with the plog and Dp instead of the headers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DnaProdigy View Post
    Id start with an intake, Cold air inductions is my recommendation but most people have experience on here with a Wizaired.

    Second a PCM, you could either get a generic v1.0 or you could have one programed for you after you are "done" modding your car. If the latter then save this step for later.

    Ported front manifold aka a plog. If you plan on modding further in the future get headers instead.

    Get a larger downpipe, 3" is recommended for our vehicles. [again not needed of you get headers.]

    Then you could also get a colder thermostat [180* only $10].
    All the above is less then $600 assuming you go with the plog and Dp instead of the headers.
    DNA has the right ideas... but a few things id like to add.

    1. You can go a lot cheaper than the Wizaired. Make you own fenderwell intake (FWI)/cold air intake (CAI), for around $50 to $75.

    2. Id recommend a PCM from either Intense or Overkill. ZZP has had some problems with their lately.

    3.Ported front manifold is NOT a plog. yes they are similar but they are different. Ported manifolds are just as it says.... help a lil with KR and on top end (if any), where a Powerlog or plog is a welded manifold that has true diameter piping through-out and a better option than the ported manifold. Get headers and not worry about either one

    4. Downpipe...people will argue about this till the cows come home. yes the 3in dp's are good if you have a 3inch exhaust from the downpipe and catback, otherwise you have a bottleneck as the larger amount of exhaust gas is forced into a smaller diameter piping(stock is 2.5in). Unless you make alot of power got with the 2.5 dp. IMO id go with a 2.5 dp just to make things flow better, but its up to you.

    5. Thermostat....a 180* stat is a good choice, but id make sure that the PCM has it programmed in(most aftermarket ones already do),if its not the car will run a lil hotter while sitting in traffic. Since the stock stat is programmed @ 195*.

    6. A colder set of spark plugs wil help with KR. Autolite 605's for stock gp's or 104's for lightly modded gp's.

    All of this should run under $500 if you do all the labor yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DnaProdigy View Post
    Id start with an intake, Cold air inductions is my recommendation but most people have experience on here with a Wizaired.

    Second a PCM, you could either get a generic v1.0 or you could have one programed for you after you are "done" modding your car. If the latter then save this step for later.

    Ported front manifold aka a plog. If you plan on modding further in the future get headers instead.

    Get a larger downpipe, 3" is recommended for our vehicles. [again not needed of you get headers.]

    Then you could also get a colder thermostat [180* only $10].
    All the above is less then $600 assuming you go with the plog and Dp instead of the headers.
    How hard is it to put in the dp and plogs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keenan00gtp View Post
    How hard is it to put in the dp and plogs?
    A plog is a bolt in part (not too bad) you just have to remove to stock manifold off and bolt the plog in its place. Just becareful about the oil dipstick tube. Most people bend them and have to replace them, just remove it before removing the stock manifold, then put it back in after you install the plog. The dp can be a bolt-in unit or if you get a shorty dp it has to be welded in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DnaProdigy View Post
    Id start with an intake, Cold air inductions is my recommendation but most people have experience on here with a Wizaired.

    Second a PCM, you could either get a generic v1.0 or you could have one programed for you after you are "done" modding your car. If the latter then save this step for later.

    Ported front manifold aka a plog. If you plan on modding further in the future get headers instead.

    Get a larger downpipe, 3" is recommended for our vehicles. [again not needed of you get headers.]

    Then you could also get a colder thermostat [180* only $10].
    All the above is less then $600 assuming you go with the plog and Dp instead of the headers.
    When i was on the "plog" hyperlink it had front or front and rear. which should i go with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keenan00gtp View Post
    When i was on the "plog" hyperlink it had front or front and rear. which should i go with?
    Just the front. The rear are for turbo setups. The rear manifold are as restrictive as the front one is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boger's99GTP View Post
    A plog is a bolt in part (not too bad) you just have to remove to stock manifold off and bolt the plog in its place. Just becareful about the oil dipstick tube. Most people bend them and have to replace them, just remove it before removing the stock manifold, then put it back in after you install the plog. The dp can be a bolt-in unit or if you get a shorty dp it has to be welded in.
    would most dps fit a borla exhaust? there all universal arnt they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keenan00gtp View Post
    would most dps fit a borla exhaust? there all universal arnt they?
    Yes. If you get lets say a 2.5 or 3in dp catted dp, it will bolt up right up to the catback and headers. If it is catless it will bolt-up as well. Just make sure if you go the catless route, that its legal in your state (emissions). Did you have any issues bolting the catback to the cat on your car? If not, then you should'nt have any problems. If you get a shorty, it has to be welded to your cat. It has a flange to bolt up to the headers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boger's99GTP View Post
    Yes. If you get lets say a 2.5 or 3in dp catted dp, it will bolt up right up to the catback and headers. If it is catless it will bolt-up as well. Just make sure if you go the catless route, that its legal in your state (emissions). Did you have any issues bolting the catback to the cat on your car? If not, then you should'nt have any problems. If you get a shorty, it has to be welded to your cat. It has a flange to bolt up to the headers.
    it was easy. im going with the 3" i think and the front plog. will this be enuff to reduce kr if i get a 3.4" pulley also? how small or big should i go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keenan00gtp View Post
    it was easy. im going with the 3" i think and the front plog. will this be enuff to reduce kr if i get a 3.4" pulley also? how small or big should i go?
    I wouldn't jump to a pulley till you scan. Get someone to scan your car while you drive or buy one yourself. Each car is different. I heard of people getting away with just min mods, and some who had to go as far as 1.9 rockers & headers just to get rid of all their KR. I would go with these mods and then scan to see what mod you need next to get rid of that KR.....

    FWI,Autolite 104's,PCM,Plog, DP. Since you already have a catback that will help on the KR. Just scan scan scan! I cant recommend that enough. Once all your KR is gone, then you can start to look at dropping pulleys.
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    #1: Get an intake. Doesn't matter too much which one you choose. I prefer CAI's.

    #2: Get a 180* stat

    #2: Get headers. Many people will say to get a powerlog and a downpipe, but trust me just skip the bull**** and get headers. I went the whole powerlog/downpipe combo route and regret it.

    #3: Get either a tuner or a PCM. I'd personally suggest a tuner since you can get a tune specifically for your car, instead of just a generic tune, and also cause a tuner also doubles as a scanner (which you'll need if you ever decide to drop pulley sizes).

    #4: Once those things are done you can then consider dropping pulley sizes. Depending on how well your engine's running you should be able to drop to a 3.5" or 3.4" pulley, but you will never know until you scan and find out.

    Those things should get you off to a good start.
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    Wish i had the cash to drop on a set of headers. Im with smokin.... if you can afford it, get headers.
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