Thread: Where do I Get the Wizaired CAI?

Originally Posted by blowfishRus6

a gutted stock box is NO where near as good as a wizard. the tubing that you get from wizair is about the size of the inlet hole going into the box so its not letting that much heat it.

according to peoples IAT scans the wizair is one of the best if not the best. dought it if you want. i used to. but im a full beliver now

Please define "not letting that much heat it."

alot of people IAT's (intake air temps) are abandient at sitting and ideling (out side air temps-cant get any colder than that) under hood temps can get up to 130+ ... thats how i define NOT that much heat. they will get a few degres hotter than out side. i dont think you can beat that

I will pull some numbers. I have a clean totaly gutted air box, Aluminim tubing, and the entire box is fully wraped in Heat resistant material, This moded Box will pull the same air as a wizaired.

prove to me that performance wise you notice a huge differance... I dont think you nor anyone can.

Do get me wrong I am not trying to argue or sound negatuve but the facts are the facts



But what I was getting at was for what you pay for the Wizard (material wise and construction) I think that it is not worth it. It loos so cheaply made......correction it is very cheaply made.

it might just. the stock air box pulls its air from behind the headlight right? well you dont get to much air from there, pull the head light out and you might get some decent airflow. the wizair is open there, and the hole in the fenderwall which problew flows more air in.

not saying you dont have a good setup but im sure the wizair out flows and keeps cooler temps. but i dont have numbers myself i cant really say anything. just mediforicaly. but im sure someone will chime in with some numbers

The design on the grandprix dont really offer that much flow through the fender wall. But any flow that does arrive fromtn that location is simply married into my stock air box by means of a simple seal tube from that opening into th side of the stock air box, thus I am pully air from behind the HL and the fender wall.

MY box is wrapped with a heat resistant material which will uphold 3000°F At least 90% of radiant heat energy is reflected.

sounds like you got a pretty good box. you have a way of scaning for IAT's?? i would like to see how it compares. by the sounds of it pretty simular tho

I look over alot of the air inductions products that were out there and some (wizaired,cold air inductions, MSP etc) are very simular design to the stock box.

The down fall of the stock box is that it is box itself,ribbed tube, and filter that heavily restricts the air flow. By adding a thermal sheild to the stock box, and completly gutting the box, replace the ribbed tube with a smooth aluminuim tube as well as dropping a tube from the fender opening into the side of the stock box you have just created a cold air intake that is not that much differnt that the $200.00 CAI avaiable. THis CAI you can buy are more than 75% looks.

and drop a performance rated air filter

i agree and nicely done.

Yea we need to get some numbers now. Good stuff.

Originally Posted by massivesystem

How can the Wizaired even truly perform that good, the the opening on the air box when the tube goes through is just a flapped opening. Which would suck so much air in,

That style of seal is tried and true in many different industries. It's about the best you can get and still allow for some play. Any negative pressure in the box from suction will only cause them to seal better.

Also, it's not going to pull in hot air from there since the filter is closer to the headlight and it has these two gaping holes to pull cool air through:



And this one, where you see the PCM:

Originally Posted by massivesystem

I will pull some numbers. I have a clean totaly gutted air box, Aluminim tubing, and the entire box is fully wraped in Heat resistant material, This moded Box will pull the same air as a wizaired.

And you know this how? Any testing? A lot of statements coming from someone who hasn't even tried one but "has seen one before". I've seen California on the map, so I know everything about it.

Fact is, you're modded box is pulling air through a smaller tube, which has to get air through a filter with less surface area, all while still using a ribbed accordion tube which causes tons of turbulence. Simple logic will tell anyone it is not getting the same amount of air. The WizAired made 17WHP over a MSP box on a modded GTP in head to head dyno testing. Yeah, a stock air box will keep up.

Head_to_Head_Frameset

Now, do you have any numbers?

Originally Posted by massivesystem

But what I was getting at was for what you pay for the Wizard (material wise and construction) I think that it is not worth it. It loos so cheaply made......correction it is very cheaply made.

I, nor others, have no complaints about the overall quality of it despite what I paid. Not sure which generation of the WizAired you saw, but the latest gen looks just fine in my eyes. Brushed aluminum and a look that makes it seem its supposed to be there. I know several Impala owners with the Wiz who win car shows. David99GTP has the latest Wiz and competes in some big name events. If it looked cheap, he probably wouldn't win. Seems you're grasping for straws to bash it.

Originally Posted by massivesystem

MY box is wrapped with a heat resistant material which will uphold 3000°F At least 90% of radiant heat energy is reflected.

The WizAired insulation is the same high quality stuff available for building construction. I found it at Lowes (for a high dollar price, I might add) and it has similar ratings. Not sure what you're getting at.

Yea the stock air box heat soaks much easier then the wizaired also because of the materials. Plastic, especially softer plastic holds and retains heat much easier and longer. Aluminum does retain heat also but much less and cools much faster with air flow [cold air form outsite]. Ever bake/cook something on aluminum foil in a 400* oven? Touch the foil 30 seconds after it gets out of a 400* oven, is it hot? [shouldn't be].

As far as CAI's go i don't think whether its a difference of stock and Wizaired, i think the real question is the difference between the cold air inductions box and the wizaired.


If anyone is interested i have numbers here from my thrasher, I am going to post numbers after i insulate it better. They don't compare for numbers iv heard from the wizaired, The wizaird is far superior. Good thing my thrasher was free.

Originally Posted by DnaProdigy

Yea the stock air box heat soaks much easier then the wizaired also because of the materials. Plastic, especially softer plastic holds and retains heat much easier and longer. Aluminum does retain heat also but much less and cools much faster with air flow [cold air form outsite]. Ever bake/cook something on aluminum foil in a 400* oven? Touch the foil 30 seconds after it gets out of a 400* oven, is it hot? [shouldn't be].

That's what is referred to as a low specific heat capacity, and yes it's good for this application.

Originally Posted by DnaProdigy

As far as CAI's go i don't think whether its a difference of stock and Wizaired, i think the real question is the difference between the cold air inductions box and the wizaired.

I like the fact that the "Wizard" intake has a spot for the PCM in the box where it will stay cold. Looks like the "Cold air inductions" intake has the PCM tray underneath the box in a heated area. I read somewhere that having your PCM stay cool is better.

Originally Posted by 99prixgt

I like the fact that the "Wizard" intake has a spot for the PCM in the box where it will stay cold. Looks like the "Cold air inductions" intake has the PCM tray underneath the box in a heated area. I read somewhere that having your PCM stay cool is better.

It would make sense, i mean all computers have some sort of heat sink to keep the unit cold.

Originally Posted by Sabrewings

That style of seal is tried and true in many different industries. It's about the best you can get and still allow for some play. Any negative pressure in the box from suction will only cause them to seal better.

Also, it's not going to pull in hot air from there since the filter is closer to the headlight and it has these two gaping holes to pull cool air through:



And this one, where you see the PCM:





And you know this how? Any testing? A lot of statements coming from someone who hasn't even tried one but "has seen one before". I've seen California on the map, so I know everything about it.

Fact is, you're modded box is pulling air through a smaller tube, which has to get air through a filter with less surface area, all while still using a ribbed accordion tube which causes tons of turbulence. Simple logic will tell anyone it is not getting the same amount of air. The WizAired made 17WHP over a MSP box on a modded GTP in head to head dyno testing. Yeah, a stock air box will keep up.

Head_to_Head_Frameset

Now, do you have any numbers?



I, nor others, have no complaints about the overall quality of it despite what I paid. Not sure which generation of the WizAired you saw, but the latest gen looks just fine in my eyes. Brushed aluminum and a look that makes it seem its supposed to be there. I know several Impala owners with the Wiz who win car shows. David99GTP has the latest Wiz and competes in some big name events. If it looked cheap, he probably wouldn't win. Seems you're grasping for straws to bash it.



The WizAired insulation is the same high quality stuff available for building construction. I found it at Lowes (for a high dollar price, I might add) and it has similar ratings. Not sure what you're getting at.

I dont disagree with your statments, but pulling numbers would be interesting to compare. And I am guessing that I may have seen a previous version ? I have though heard alot of people on this forum stat that the tube and box itself is pretty flimsy, again I dont know what version though.

The box felt a little flimsy during install, but once it's in it is solid as a rock. The tube isn't flimsy either. It's only downfall is repeated and frequent removals will eventually fray the end. Frequent modders should keep that in mind. Mine is showing small signs of it, but is still very usable and doesn't show to anyone just looking at it.

ZZP sells replacement tubes for two reasons. First, the reason I stated above. Second, and the original reason, because those top swapping and going intercooled will require a different tube, so it's cheaper to buy the tube than a new Wizaired and ZZP accounted for this.

Originally Posted by massivesystem

again I dont know what version though.

This is the latest version:

You're relentless.

It's coming... and mine will be indiscernible from a L67, not a SS M90 kit.

I think you've got the wrong idea on the time frame. Probably next summer. I've got a four month deployment coming up in February and my time until then is putting the parts together and getting ready. I've got rockers to buy, springs, some TB porting to get done, maybe injectors, definitely injector connectors, ZZP MPS, getting a Intense shift kit to help, and the list goes on.

It's definitely happening though.

Originally Posted by QwikGT

you're gunna love it lol, hey the m90 kit is fine beats pulling the heads?

Except that I want to pull the heads so I know they're completely cleaned, rebuilt, and fresh. Like having a brand new engine.

As long as we're already off topic, quick question. Did you have to get a L67 brake booster hose or does the L36 hose work?