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  1. #1 BELT SLIP, a thing of the past now people. 
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    Didn't want to spoil the surprise until Branson as to what I have been up to, So for those that attended...you have seen it, and for those who didn't, here is your sneak peek at the first ever prototype I made of the first ever cogged belt system for a GTP.

    The trip to Branson was its first ever test run away from home out of the garage. Let say, ever time I went to pass a car, or got on it for the fun of it, or did a few WOT runs, or a burn out or two...it always brought a smile to my face regardless. It preformed almost flawless, aside the side of the belt getting a little worn, that I plan to re machine two of the pulley sides that keep the belt tracking.











    Installed with the 1" wide belt (production is 1 1/4" wide belt)




    Installed with the 1 1/4" belt:






    (Some minor changes have been made here and there since these pictures have been taken.)

    As you can tell the supercharger pulley is built around a D.U.B. hub, WITH granted special permission and blessings from Terry of South Florida Pulley HQ to build upon his proven design I began my work.

    The pitch we decided on was a 5mm pitch. To do this we used a specially re cut straight tooth side milling cutter and a Dividing head on the Mill. Rest was easy, yet time consuming. (besides all the measuring, figuring, and producing the rough copy before the final milling)

    The balancer shown is a 8 rib ZZP modified balancer I bought from ED who out bid me at the 2nd. Annual Branson GP Meet. But built and designed around a stock balancer as well. It actually presses onto the balancer, and then three grade 8 bolts with stainless washers insure it does not twist under the torque. I only used this balancer because my current stock one was about shot.

    The rest of the pulleys are all serviceable too BTW, and can be serviced as needed by any one with basic hand tools. No arbor press is needed to remove and reinstall the Timkin Bearings within, a simple snap ring plier will do the job easily.

    All these parts are the only ones currently made, I have a few extra supercharger pulleys in different sizes already made up, and a few various cogged pulleys for different belt lengths I am playing with. I only changed one pulley for the trip to the Branson Meet to get around the shortness of the belt, other than that, exactly the same as pictured.

    All these billet aluminum parts were made by hand, using manual machines. (NO CNC machines at this time) As we wanted to make the kit FIRST, then model the others (if any) from this kit later once we have all the bugs worked out.

    Because these parts are spun on a lathe, they will not effect the rotation of the motor, or add any or off set the balance of the motor. Only thing that is important, is when installing the crank sprocket is to torque evenly the three bolts that seat it onto it, because the outer hub floats on rubber, you get one bolt too tight, and the whole thing will wobble like a bent wheel.

    Only thing additional one would need to install this on a stock motor still using the stock oil filter elbow is to run a spacer between the elbow and the front engine cover it bolts to to space the filter out away from the balancer cause there is no room for the belt there once installed. Could work on making one myself, but not needed cause I run an INTENSE remote oil filter adapter, so I have all the room in the world.

    Let it be known, who was the first to make, produce and test this item for those who have been interested in such an item for many years. This has been talked about since I can remember but nobody with better finances and income than I wanted to step up to the plate and try to make one out of fear that the additional noise would throw off the knock sensors, so why try and waste the money as it was said.

    Lets say yes there IS noise, some to very little at idle to accelerating and decelerating where it obviously becomes much louder.

    There is NO knock from this noise across the board.

    The only knock my computer reads is from the typical '97 partial throttle knock of your casual driving that is very hard if not impossible to fully tune out.

    Belt slip is a thing of the past with this system, lets just get that out now as you can guess as to why this was developed. I myself did not have the belt slip problem as many do, but since this a common problem among many, and many would like the added benifit of the noise that sounds very much like a turbo, you kill two birds with one stone.

    Oh ya, Patent pending.


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    With that much of a bigger drive pulley, it must be equivalent to a smaller Supercharger pulley??


    Like if that is a 3.3 on there(just as an example) It would spin the blower as fast as a smaller pulley like a 3.1 or 3.0.....Am I right?


    Oh, and that set-up is awesome, Simply awesome....
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    Your on the right track, the larger the balancer, the larger the supercharger pulley becomes to keep the RPM the same. Have to keep both ends equal. Everything else in between you can play with to work around the belt length.

    On the motor now is comparable to a 3.2 in those pictures, as to exactly to what it measures, I can get that for you if you want to know.

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    No thanks, I wa just curious, cause the first thing that came to my mind after looking at all those pics was that now people can push the M90 past the 2.55 stage.....(blower speed wise)
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    As far as the DUB HUB goes, that would be your only restriction for a minimum size, but yes, you could.

    Any size can and would be made according to what the customer wants. So far I have only produced a 3.4 and a 3.2 in sizes we can all understand, but in real life, they are larger but comparable to those RPM's they generate normally.

    Videos to follow of the sound.

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    Sweet, Does it just sound like a bigger Charger, or is it a second independent sound?
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    Omg!!!! Im in love!!!!
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    how long is the water pump belt?
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    It sounds like you have a whirring turbo under your hood as a good way to describe it.

    At idle...you can kinda hear it, a slight dull "whirring" sound, and getting on it to WOT, just amazing! Also, letting off from a WOT run...has a unique sound all of its own.

    Just something you have to hear in person. At Branson, I had Iron Indian, and a few others guessing for about two days as to what it was before I opened my hood and showed anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justwhisen View Post
    how long is the water pump belt?
    3" shorter than stock since I don't have a water pump belt anymore.

    (running an electric pump)

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    well that makes sence.
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    After seeing this in person, it is an awesome set up. Very nice indeed and great work on your part Farns.
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    Awesome.


    Now sell it to me.
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    I meant to ask that Farns. Any ideas on pricing just yet?
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    Hmmm.....this looks really cool. Now only if it came wo fit the Maggie's snout and ATI balancer....hmmmmm

    Good work as always!
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    Thanks for the comments.

    Yes, with the cogged belt, it sounds wicket cool. If only you could see my face the first time I started it up in the garage. I for sure had a S.E.G. on my face. With the 1" belt it was noticeable when you revved it. With the 1 1/4" belt you didn't have to rev it to hear it, at idle you can hear it, and it only gets better with higher RPM.

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    I meant to ask that Farns. Any ideas on pricing just yet?
    The prototype was not cheap to make, and were still working out a few small things on it. I just wanted it to WORK, and now we will go back and make touch ups to make it work totally flawless before we start coping and reproducing. But considering building it from scratch, we did very well as I am told. Many who were making the cogged belt systems for others cars spent months and years to get it right.

    It will probably be up around and comparative to the same price as the other cog belt systems for the Mustangs and Lightings which are $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 and sell well. Its not a cheap mod by any means, but one that is soooooooooooo well worth it. If I can get X amount of orders up front, and the machines all set up and run a small production, of course the price will be lower, but other than that, this is the only one made, and any others that follow with be made to order cause I cant afford that kind of over head.

    But the buyer will have options as to what pulley size they want etc. Custom made for the supercharger size, the rest will be standard production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieGTP View Post
    Hmmm.....this looks really cool. Now only if it came wo fit the Maggie's snout and ATI balancer....hmmmmm

    Good work as always!
    Thanks, it will only be made for D.U.B. hubs, as making them for anyone else's set up would be a conflict of interest. Could probably get sued for that. I have special permission from Terry of South Florida Pulley HQ to build it on his product.

    With permission from ATI, it could be adapted to their balancer yes. I would need their balancer to build it upon.

    I don't have to ask GM for permission, cause I did enough and bought their car to begin with and drive it.

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    I'm pretty sure I can get Terry to make ma a DUB/MAG hub if needed. He's who I have meka all my MP112 pulleys already and he said he can do just about anything.

    The ATI balancer will be an issue though unless I pull it over the winter and send it to you for mockup.
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