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  1. #1 06 gp not firing on 2-4-6 cyl 
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    Two weeks ago some one put sugar in my sons gas tank. he noticed this when he tryed to put gas in it he said it only took .08 gal. we pulled the fill spout and tank the spout had about 2 cups sugar in it and a trace in the tank. we cleaned it out and all was well. today he said it lost power on the interstate he pulled off and shut it off. when it was started again it sounds like there is lifter noises in the top end. i pulled the plug wires and noticed no changes in the skipping when the 2-4-6 wires were removed. there is oil in it just changed 1000 miles ago. fuel pressure at the fuel rail. it will idle roughly. any help would be great.
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    Can you confirm for sure that there is no spark to those plugs?
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    sugars not really has bad as one thinks on a car. Usually run bad for a tank or 2 of gas. Bleach is by far worse on a car. And will take out a motor usually.

    I think your miss fire issue is unrelated. the ignition control modual on these cars are hit and miss on reliability. Most anyone can test them for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket468 View Post
    sugars not really has bad as one thinks on a car. Usually run bad for a tank or 2 of gas. Bleach is by far worse on a car. And will take out a motor usually.

    I think your miss fire issue is unrelated. the ignition control modual on these cars are hit and miss on reliability. Most anyone can test them for free.
    Never heard of the bleach thing.


    I also feel the same about that issue. When testing the ICM on these cars it also is hit or miss. But on another note that's pretty much the only thing I think it could be. I don't think it would be likley for more than one coil pack to go out at once.
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    OK, if nobody else is going to, I'll bring up the worst case scenario. It seems odd to me that the 3 cylinders that are misfiring are the entire right bank, if your fuel filter failed, maybe some sugar got by and plugged up your fuel rail?
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    You say that becuase of where the inlet for the main fuel feed is correct? You think it would get stuck in the rail or just go straight to the injectors?


    And would it not disolve in an hour or so?


    Good suggestion none the less.
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    Sugar doesn't really dissolve in gasoline, so it would stay in granular form if it made it that far, which it shouldn't since the filter should catch it. Thinking about it more, though, on the L36 the fuel goes to the rear bank first (L67 goes to the front bank first, which is what I was thinking of), so that's probably not the issue, unless just enough got by to clog the rear injectors and not get up to the front bank. That's an extreme long shot.

    I would guess the problem isn't related to the sugar incident at all, as has already been said, just trying to figure out how what would tie the entire right bank together.
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    bleach is by far the worst... did it on mythbusters and it basically acts as an oxidizer rusting the tank up and all that crap goes and clogs the fuel system up.... check the ICM first. Are there any codes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimmia View Post
    I would guess the problem isn't related to the sugar incident at all, as has already been said, just trying to figure out how what would tie the entire right bank together.
    Yeah that's what i'm trying to figure out.


    Again can you confirm that those cylinders are really not getting any spark to them?
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    I thought the '04+ GP's had a returnless fuel system?
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    update, sorry it took so long i work strange hours. when i first checked the engine i removed the spark plug wires at the coil pack one at a time and the even cyl. did not make a difference when i removed them but there was spark at the coil pack. the motor did sound like it has a lot of lifter noise so i removed the front valve cover and have verry little oil ozzing out of 4 of the 6 push rods. i am 99% shure i have a oil pressure problem causing the lifters to make noise. the idiot light is not coming on for the oil pressure. what is my next step? pull the pan and check the pick up screen? try a new oil filter? by the way my son did have the last oil change at a oil lube shop 1000 miles ago and the oil level in ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegtp91 View Post
    I thought the '04+ GP's had a returnless fuel system?
    Good point, I totally missed the "06" in the title. I don't know how the rails are set up, then.
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    You can put B12 /seafoam or any other brand in your oill. This will thin it out and hopefully loosen a clog if you have one. Follow then instructions on the can. You don't leave it in the oil long before you flush it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimmia View Post
    Good point, I totally missed the "06" in the title. I don't know how the rails are set up, then.
    Well after working on Riley's car I noticed how the Comp G's rails kinda look like the L36 rails...only one line going across the blower. I had a misfire just like that...it was a stuck valve. Not sure if it is exactly the same issue but if it is you can pull off the rear valve cover...lean the motor forward...remove the rockers and pushrods...and beat on the top of the valve spring retainers with a rubber mallet. You might know them loose or seat the valve all the way...at least that is what cured my issue...
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    I took the intake off friday i have 1 bent push tube, two BROKEN lifters, 1 stuck intake valve. i pulled the heads and found a sticky substance looks like brown syrup it taste sweet too. it was in 5 of the 6 intake ports. what i am doing now is pulled all valves washed them with water as it is the only thing that will cut the goo. i have cleaned the heads and will lap in the valves. as for the pistons the tops are very clean for 140,000 miles. i am going on a gasket quest today to secure the remaning gaskets. nothing will cut the goo as i call it but belive it is syrup but water. when i finish putting my sons car back togather i will be watching it at night with a camera i am shure who ever did this will be back and i will catch them!!!!
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    Brown Syrup? GOO? Sounds like you might have more issues...might be needing another motor...
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    man i would beat somebodys ass for doing that ****. act of coward. i bet the sugar got to the piston rings and ruined them. did you happen to try a compression test before you took the heads off?
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